100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid - Dr. Hovind

[tumbleweed41]

All I get is circles and wheels when looking for an explanation of evolution. This is why I have referred to it as circular phycho babble from time to time.

So,,,,
Argument from incredulity?
You fail to understand, therefore it is false.

Although it seems you refuse to attempt to understand, making it an intentional ignorance.

 

[savagewind]

Sometimes answers come in the most unlikely places. "Inside Man" the movie (2006) tells of a great escape. The perpetrators of the bank heist put everyone in the same suit, robbers and hostages alike. There were very many hostages. When it was time for the police to raid the bank the plan was to mix the robbers with all the prisoners. The police could not tell one from another.

Someday (if someday comes) artificial intelligence in a humanoid will not be distinguishable from a highly efficient human (a joke) haha? So you will have a mix on Earth. Humans and humanoids. But that is not the point.

Keep going......

The origin of the species is obvious. Species developed with no planning necessary. But it does not prove there is not also planned species. Why would it be a good plan to fill the Earth with lots and lots of different life? It is because the children described in Genesis are the children of God. I am very very sure (that means I have no doubt) that someone might someday think it might be a really good and interesting experiment to destroy God's children. (To know what might happen). But by introducing the process of evolution onto the Earth no one can ever know which is God's (I almost never name God he or she) creation and which is not God's creation. Then the children of God do really get away safe, just like in the movie.

 

[Falvlun]

Computers work like anything else. Positrons and Neutrons combine with electricity and magnetism to bring this message from me to you. Saying that a computer will never design itself as every single computer on this planet has had a designer. .

So you understand how computers work! I have admitted that I do not know how computers work. How would you respond if I then said that your explanation of how computers work is utter nonsense because I cannot understand how it is logically possible?

Is the problem with your explanation? Is the problem with the science of computers? Or is it perhaps merely a problem with my own understanding?

 

[savagewind]

Who here can prove that evolution and creation are not acting side by side? Maybe Earth is about both.

 

[Alceste]

All I get is circles and wheels when looking for an explanation of evolution. This is why I have referred to it as circular phycho babble from time to time.

Nothing at all like calling a big rock the fossilized remains of Noah's ark, right?

 

[Alceste]

Who here can prove that evolution and creation are not acting side by side? Maybe Earth is about both.

Maybe, but we have to stick with what the evidence shows. Maybe one day someone will find compelling physical evidence of creation acting alongside evolution.

 

[dust1n]

Who here can prove that evolution and creation are not acting side by side? Maybe Earth is about both.

Evolution has nothing to do with creation. Evolutionists care about evolution, not what God or God didn't do.

 

[Windwalker]

The origin of the species is obvious. Species developed with no planning necessary. But it does not prove there is not also planned species.

I would say the "plan" is for creation to awaken to itself and to God. How those species evolve towards that end simply follows that reach. What form it takes will be many and varied, some reaching higher than others, but none unnecessary.

Look at it this way. We humans will likely cease to exist as a species in the not-so-distant future, on a grand cosmological scale. Does this mean then end of that "plan" in creation? Oh no, not at all. The system created us, and I have no doubt at all other forms capable of 'knowing itself and God' have, do, and will continue to arise throughout the entire universe writ large, if not even here on this planet in ways we cannot know or see given our current arrogance.

Humans are a wonderful creation, "poised midway between the gods and the beasts," as Plotinus phrased it. But we assume in our arrogance, we are the highest evolved beings, in not only our biological abilities, but our mental and spiritual capacities. I think we have a long ways to go, to say the least, and "God's plan" to use that language, does not begin and end with us!

How much we create God in our own image to believe so!

Why would it be a good plan to fill the Earth with lots and lots of different life?

It's it's God's nature to create, and all life is a reflection and expression of God. "The heavens declare the glory of God". "Consider the lilies of the field", etc. When will humans quit being arrogant about their position in the universe? I know? When they come face to face with God. Humility is the beginning of wisdom, and knowing God in the world and in ourselves.

It is because the children described in Genesis are the children of God.

The "only" children? Does it say that? What's more though, this story of ours about our origins as humans is a story we tell ourselves for various reasons, not the least of which is to speak about that very existential anxiety (angst), which causes humans to try to find God in all our substitutes, our projects, to know eternal life and avoid death. There are many deep layers to this story I'd love to discuss sometime, and I can tell you that it being about a scientific description of historical events, is definitely not one of them. This is not a compendium of God-knowledge on those pages, and a whopping big mistake to limit your understanding to them in that manner.

I am very very sure (that means I have no doubt) that someone might someday think it might be a really good and interesting experiment to destroy God's children.

Oh, we're well on our way to doing just that right now in our arrogance, thinking we are the masters of our world. The sad joke will be on us, of course, or rather our children we are condemning.

But by introducing the process of evolution onto the Earth no one can ever know which is God's (I almost never name God he or she) creation and which is not God's creation.

What pray tell me in this entire universe is "not" God's creation? What?

Then the children of God do really get away safe, just like in the movie.

And herein lies the crux of the existential anxiety. "We get away safe". No. We will all die. Everything is impermanent. It is only in resting in the timeless being of ourselves in God that the world may rise and fall, and we simply are. Eternal life is not after you die. Eternal life is now. And you either live within it, or out there somewhere in your anxieties, freaking ourselves out about death and dying and creating all manner of things to tell ourselves we will "get away safe". You don't get away, you simply open to what exists eternally now, within you, and you do so either by choice now, or by facing death then.

 

[Sculelos]

So you understand how computers work! I have admitted that I do not know how computers work. How would you respond if I then said that your explanation of how computers work is utter nonsense because I cannot understand how it is logically possible?

Is the problem with your explanation? Is the problem with the science of computers? Or is it perhaps merely a problem with my own understanding?

Well fact is computers work (sometimes). However we know that computers must have certain parts that all operate simultaneously or they won't work at all. This is why we know that computers have a designer. However if we think about it a computer is actually the same complexity as a single celled bacterium. In fact a single celled bacterium is a nano computer that is comprised of one Ion and even that single celled Ion has 4 different functions that must all work simultaneously or it won't function at all.

Humans and animals have thousands times thousands of these Ions as 1,000 Ions put together side by side only make up about 9.6 inches and that is on a completely flat surface. If you take 9.6 cubed inches it would take about 1 Million Ions to complete the space. A single average human about lets say 5 foot 7 inches would need about 72,057,594,037 Trillion unique Ions (Cells) working together to create a single human life as we know it and it's not good enough that they simple be mashed together but they must also follow the codes that they are given or else problems arise.

Saying all this I'd say life is too complicated for us to say that evolution would be possible if not for some supremely powerful force directing it and if a force was powerful enough to direct it that force would not need any time to accomplish his goals.

Understand that we don't even know what we don't know so it's hard to say what we do know for sure.

Nothing at all like calling a big rock the fossilized remains of Noah's ark, right?

You do understand that wood can petrify in a few days right?

 

[Windwalker]

Who here can prove that evolution and creation are not acting side by side? Maybe Earth is about both.

This is the first thing you've said that I agree with.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

Who here can prove that evolution and creation are not acting side by side? Maybe Earth is about both.

It doesn't matter what can prove is NOT the case, but what we can prove IS the case. And there simply is no evidence which requires us to suppose that creation IS the case, whereas there is a good deal of evidence requiring us to suppose evolution is the case. In other words, for the data we presently have, "creation" is superfluous.

(and worse, there's pretty good reason to think that creation does not have any particular truth-conditions; that is to say that it is consistent with any and all possible data- it is unfalsifiable. Thus, from a scientific or explanatory standpoint, it is essentially vacuous)

 

[Warren Clark]

I think this offers good insight to a creationist point of view on Evolution as I generally agree with about 99% of what Dr. Hovind says.

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100 Reasons Why Evolution Is STUPID! - Kent Hovind Christian Creationist - YouTube

Some asked my point to discuss a few of my own answers and questions and this is what I replied with.

I can't watch two hours of this nonsense. Im going to die of stupid... and it is because of the speaker, not evolution.

When scientists came up with the big bang it wasn't by a random thought that was entered into a book. It took hundreds of years of research and discovery to see that there was a big bang. By calculating the distance and measuring the radioactive decay were able to discover that the universe outside of our planet was actually much older than our planet and that our planet was relatively new to the universe.
We noticed by measuring the radioactive decay that the universe had come from a single point.
And I will let you in on a fun science fact. There was no "Bang". Air is required to make noise. Since there was no air there was no noise for the Big Bang to actually make a bang.

He only shared his basic lack of understanding.

For example, you can't debate evolution and then jump to the big bang as if they are related. They are two completely different theories. Evolution does not require the big bang to happen any particular way just as the big bang does not require evolution to happen at all.

 

[freethinker44]

Who here can prove that evolution and creation are not acting side by side? Maybe Earth is about both.

Creationists are the only ones who think evolution and religion are incompatible. Well over half the worlds population accepts evolution, only a small percentage of those are atheists, so the majority of people who accept evolution believe life was created and evolution is guided by a god of some form.

 

[Alceste]

I would say the "plan" is for creation to awaken to itself and to God. How those species evolve towards that end simply follows that reach. What form it takes will be many and varied, some reaching higher than others, but none unnecessary.

Look at it this way. We humans will likely cease to exist as a species in the not-so-distant future, on a grand cosmological scale. Does this mean then end of that "plan" in creation? Oh no, not at all. The system created us, and I have no doubt at all other forms capable of 'knowing itself and God' have, do, and will continue to arise throughout the entire universe writ large, if not even here on this planet in ways we cannot know or see given our current arrogance.

Humans are a wonderful creation, "poised midway between the gods and the beasts," as Plotinus phrased it. But we assume in our arrogance, we are the highest evolved beings, in not only our biological abilities, but our mental and spiritual capacities. I think we have a long ways to go, to say the least, and "God's plan" to use that language, does not begin and end with us!

How much we create God in our own image to believe so!


It's it's God's nature to create, and all life is a reflection and expression of God. "The heavens declare the glory of God". "Consider the lilies of the field", etc. When will humans quit being arrogant about their position in the universe? I know? When they come face to face with God. Humility is the beginning of wisdom, and knowing God in the world and in ourselves.


The "only" children? Does it say that? What's more though, this story of ours about our origins as humans is a story we tell ourselves for various reasons, not the least of which is to speak about that very existential anxiety (angst), which causes humans to try to find God in all our substitutes, our projects, to know eternal life and avoid death. There are many deep layers to this story I'd love to discuss sometime, and I can tell you that it being about a scientific description of historical events, is definitely not one of them. This is not a compendium of God-knowledge on those pages, and a whopping big mistake to limit your understanding to them in that manner.


Oh, we're well on our way to doing just that right now in our arrogance, thinking we are the masters of our world. The sad joke will be on us, of course, or rather our children we are condemning.


What pray tell me in this entire universe is "not" God's creation? What?


And herein lies the crux of the existential anxiety. "We get away safe". No. We will all die. Everything is impermanent. It is only in resting in the timeless being of ourselves in God that the world may rise and fall, and we simply are. Eternal life is not after you die. Eternal life is now. And you either live within it, or out there somewhere in your anxieties, freaking ourselves out about death and dying and creating all manner of things to tell ourselves we will "get away safe". You don't get away, you simply open to what exists eternally now, within you, and you do so either by choice now, or by facing death then.

Dang, you've practically got me converted.

 

[Alceste]

You do understand that wood can petrify in a few days right?

The point is that it ends up looking exactly like the original object, and not exactly like a big rock. Your "boat" doesn't even have any doors.

 

[Windwalker]

And there simply is no evidence which requires us to suppose that creation IS the case, whereas there is a good deal of evidence requiring us to suppose evolution is the case. In other words, for the data we presently have, "creation" is superfluous.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." Evolution creates a marvelous diversity of life forms. The two words are linked together. Evolution creates.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Die away! All you have to do is watch it. Are you being sarcastic? Did you fall asleep while watching it? Are you waiting for someone to tell you?

I watched it. In fact, I've watched a lot of videos he has made in the past. I haven't seen any good points yet.

You said you thought he made some good points, so I'm wondering what they are.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Is it true or not true that living things have been dated with carbon dating and found to be thousands of years dead?

If you're talking about what I think you are, Hovind is referencing a study done where scientists were deliberately testing the limitations of that particular dating method, so that the scientific community would be aware of them in the future. Of course, Hovind never mentioned that important fact.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I do not agree with you.
1. He may very well have a doctorate from an unaccredited school. He passed the required curriculum and wrote his thesis. That is called benefit of the doubt. Have you heard of that before?
2. You can ignore my premise that he is a conscientious (thanj God foir spell check) objector but I think it is rude.
3. So what if he calls the precedent to evolution evolution? Without those prior things evolution could never have happened. You are not a judge are you?
4. We do not know if he lied about the carbon dating. If the tests he shared are real there are many reasons why they may not have become well known. The most obvious one I can think of is embarrassment, you know, like, in Yale and Harvard.

I hear evidence differently than you. Is that OK?

That's the problem though. When somebody is a known liar, it's hard to believe anything they have to say.

 

[Poeticus]

The point is that it ends up looking exactly like the original object, and not exactly like a big rock. Your "boat" doesn't even have any doors.

Namaste,

M.V.