What a disingenuous way to refuse to answer my questions! I really haven't seen that before on RF, and I thought I'd seen just about everything at least twice. Disingenuous but pathetic, of course.
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100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid - Dr. Hovind
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What a disingenuous way to refuse to answer my questions! I really haven't seen that before on RF, and I thought I'd seen just about everything at least twice. Disingenuous but pathetic, of course.
OK. I think I am on the same page now.
My faith in what? In God? In The Son of God? In the writers about the Son of God? In Israel?
I believed the Grand Canyon was millions of years old. I started a thread about it. So my answer is yes. My faith in The Creator and in The Son can withstand evidence for ToE but there isn't much, is there?
But I am sure I am not like anyone else.
Monk Of Reason
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Faith and evolution does not have to contradict. Though I do have a little problem with you saying there isn't much evidence for Evolution. The internet that you obviously have access too allows you the opprotunity to educate yourself in the matters and I urge you to do so.
OMG. :sad4:
There is a plethora of evidence for the evolution within a species and within similar organisms. There is little evidence that one kind becomes another. You will say their bones look alike, it proves they came from the same life form. Does a phone booth and a cell phone come from the same factory? No? Well, why not?
The man on the tape (you won't watch) made a very good point. When a life form developed where did it get it's mate?
Alceste
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Then you are a creationist. Evolution is true. If you don't believe in it, it can only be because you are either ignorant of science because of your religion or anti-science due to your religious views.
Monk Of Reason
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Except there is evidence. I don't think you know exactly what the evidence is but I urge you to go look through it. If you have an hour I can show you a video that goes through dozens upon dozens of cases of this evidence and explains why its evidence. DNA has done more for evolution that even fossils because you can't simply make the exact argument you just made. The DNA sequences follow certain patterns and rules that can be traced. Because of this there are hundreds of thousands of different blips in our DNA and development that simply does not make sense except in the light of evolution.
And the early forms of life did not have mates in the same way we think of it. They simply had ways of sharing genetic information and then began reproducing asexually because of that. There is a common ancestor that all sexually reproducing organisms can trace back too. That in and of itself was an incredible evolutionary discovery.
OK. Really? Seems to me all the evolution I have ever heard is a twisting of the facts, guessing, and a lot of "We don't know". "Micro evolution" is true.
Macro evolution is not proved yet.
Propaganda is the worst kind of lying. That is all the theory of evolution for the origin of life is to me.
Monk Of Reason
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Then you have been getting your information on evolution from a very very very bad source.
I am done thank you very much. DNA follows patterns and rules of a creator. Yes, I agree. Good bye.
I actually do have something else to say. It is very stupid imo to say what happened right before evolution has nothing to do with evolution. I am sorry I got involved in the stupidity. I will be more careful next time.
Monk Of Reason
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Except that is not a self evident fact. We also follow rules of newtonian physics...does that equate god? If so you must provide a good argument for that. If not then by all means please leave.
That's so priceless I just had to save it
By the way, I am not a "Creationist". because I do not believe that life did not develop.
Monk Of Reason
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say what you will. Science and the evidence points to evolution. If you accpet microevolution on what specific basis do you reject the accumulation of evolution over millions of years? I'm mostly just curious on that.
It does not matter what I say, does it? You firmly believe the science report. I firmly believe Yehoshua. K?
Savage Wind, as you know I embrace God. I experience the depths of the divine daily in a heart of deep devotion. Yet, I embrace what science teaches about evolution. In fact, I see it very much within the light of scripture, "The heavens declare the glory of God, the firmament shows his handiwork".
What I find sad and distressing is those that mistake their READING, their interpretation of the book of Genesis, in other words their ideas, as the truth of God. It is frankly, idolatry.
Science has strong, overwhelmingly strong evidence of evolution, even if all the specifics of all things about it are still in investigation. The evidence is in. It does happen, it has happened. It will continue to happen. And to me, it speaks of God.
But to those who are afraid to have faith, who cling to their beliefs in the face of such beautiful and overwhelming evidence instead of opening themselves to what science is all about, discovering the mystery of this beautiful creation, I weep for them. For they forfeit the light that knowledge offers them in their thirst for Truth.
What I find sad and distressing is those that mistake their READING, their interpretation of the book of Genesis, in other words their ideas, as the truth of God. It is frankly, idolatry.
Science has strong, overwhelmingly strong evidence of evolution, even if all the specifics of all things about it are still in investigation. The evidence is in. It does happen, it has happened. It will continue to happen. And to me, it speaks of God.
But to those who are afraid to have faith, who cling to their beliefs in the face of such beautiful and overwhelming evidence instead of opening themselves to what science is all about, discovering the mystery of this beautiful creation, I weep for them. For they forfeit the light that knowledge offers them in their thirst for Truth.
I understand. As honest as you seem to be, do you agree with faith's critics who say to believe in the "beautiful and overwhelming evidence" has absolutely nothing to do with the origin of life?
Monk Of Reason
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Well I have been given reasons and evidence in science. I don't 'believe" it so much as I understand it. Its very different than religious faith. Though I am begining to see that discussion with you is a lost cause. I want to have an honest debate but you seem intent on making things personal when you realize that your claims are factually wrong.
Many things about evolution are coincidental. But I am stupid if I do not believe it is the way life originated. A believer in evolution must believe in coincidence. Now when we who believe a creator is responsible for life believe that similar structure in two very different organisms is coincidental, you all say "How dumb you are, go read a book about it" . Geesh.
What are my false claims please? What have I claimed?