100 Reasons why Evolution is Stupid - Dr. Hovind

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

I agree. But I personally need God's Word to know how I want to be treated. Do you see? You think you are doing everyone a kindness saying Genesis is nothing more than a fairy tale. You will fight to the death defending your stance that no one actually said "let it be". "Unity is our* central goal". Oh no! No way. "Your word is truth" and "the truth will set you free". That is what I WANT TO believe.

* who is "our" please? Do you know there are a very many "ours"? When "ours" clash, what do you get, do you suppose? I shall answer you. Conflict. Do you know the word used at Armageddon is not war but conflict? People say it is coming. WRONG. Other people say it is not real. STUPID. It is happening all around us right now. It has everything to do with the "ours" you speak of.

I wont' fight for it, because I don't need to impose it on anyone, it's being done. People want Unity. There's nothing to fight against here as it has been obvious throughout history. Wars have been fought to unite people, religions have been created to unite people. Look at Scientology. It isn't a truth that needs to even really be said.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Have you been private messaged yet TO STOP? You are not helping your side imo.

No, because that is what it is. Cancer is a mutation, is that evolution? The mutations that evolution works through are mutations that occur through our sex cells. Now If I am incorrect in this, I am more than open to people correcting me.

As well, how would you explain the existence of Viruses and Prions? Because they are matter that reproduce but are not alive.

 

[savagewind]

u·ni·ty [yoo-ni-tee] Show IPA
noun, plural u·ni·ties.
1.the state of being one; oneness.
2.a whole or totality as combining all its parts into one.
3.the state or fact of being united or combined into one, as of the parts of a whole; unification.
4.absence of diversity; unvaried or uniform character.
5.oneness of mind, feeling, etc., as among a number of persons; concord, harmony, or agreement.

Harmony or agreement between people or groups

This is what you want. I do not see "people wanting it". I don't want it. Harmony between nations would be nice and beneficial but the rest.....oh no! Do you know it is what the Nazis wanted? Do you know it is what the Jehovah's Witnesses want?

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

u·ni·ty [yoo-ni-tee] Show IPA
noun, plural u·ni·ties.
1.the state of being one; oneness.
2.a whole or totality as combining all its parts into one.
3.the state or fact of being united or combined into one, as of the parts of a whole; unification.
4.absence of diversity; unvaried or uniform character.
5.oneness of mind, feeling, etc., as among a number of persons; concord, harmony, or agreement.

Harmony or agreement between people or groups

This is what you want. I do not see "people wanting it". I don't want it. Harmony between nations would be nice and beneficial but the rest.....oh no! Do you know it is what the Nazis wanted? Do you know it is what the Jehovah's Witnesses want?

Yeah I do know it's what they want. It's what people want, what do you think you do by claiming you are part of a group? To be part of a group of people who are like you. People want Unity. You might not agree with the methodology that people use to get to that Unity, but you sure want it. It's part of being a social creature.

 

[savagewind]

Yeah I do know it's what they want. It's what people want, what do you think you do by claiming you are part of a group? To be part of a group of people who are like you. People want Unity. You might not agree with the methodology that people use to get to that Unity, but you sure want it. It's part of being a social creature.

Oh wow. Are you telling something you cannot know is true about me? Yes, you are! I sure do not want it!
After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. Revelation 7:9

If you are equating agreement with unity then OK, I want it. I will protect everyone who agrees with me that God's will on Earth is something to be desired. I do not know anything in The Word of God that says it occurs only with unity. We are off topic. Surprise surprise! Thank you for talking to me. I shall check if you are frubaled yet.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Kent Hovind is an idiot... I've never known anyone to take him seriously.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Oh wow. Are you telling something you cannot know is true about me? Yes, you are! I sure do not want it!
After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. Revelation 7:9

If you are equating agreement with unity then OK, I want it. I will protect everyone who agrees with me that God's will on Earth is something to be desired. I do not know anything in The Word of God that says it occurs only with unity. We are off topic. Surprise surprise! Thank you for talking to me. I shall check if you are frubaled yet.

That's because to you, the only way the word of God can be communicated to you is through the bible. I believe that the word of god is seen by looking at the world, at how people, animals interact.

You don't need to agree with me and that is fine.

 

[savagewind]

That's because to you, the only way the word of God can be communicated to you is through the bible. I believe that the word of god is seen by looking at the world, at how people, animals interact.

You don't need to agree with me and that is fine.

Oh my! I think what you say about me is not accurate. I posted this with chinu over there....."A careful study of every phenomenon about me led me to continue observing every phenomenon about me." Phenomenon is much more than "the bible".

 

[Windwalker]

I agree. But I personally need God's Word to know how I want to be treated. Do you see?

I see, but I see this as a problem. I see it as a lack of spiritual self-awareness. To look externally to some book to tell you how you should act or feel will never allow you to realize that within yourself. As you become more spiritually self-aware, you know what it good and proper and true for yourself as well as others through that self-awareness. It is an internal process of awakening. To ever and only look outside yourself to tell you how you should think, act, and feel, will never allow you to be that in yourself. Spirituality is an internal thing, not some 'owner's manual' you read to tell you how to be a living, spiritual human being. If you do not know love in yourself, you will never be able to give that to another. It begins in self-knowledge.

"In that day shall my law be written on the tables of their heart". How does that happen? By telling you what to do? No. The "word of God", so to speak is not a book, it's a living awareness of spirit in the heart. Destroy every scrap of scriptures in the world, and that 'word' can still be known. Hmmm... good idea. Set down the book, and open the heart instead and 'read' that 'word' in every living thing. See what happens....

You think you are doing everyone a kindness saying Genesis is nothing more than a fairy tale.

Those are entirely your notions. I personally would never call it 'nothing more that a fairy tale'. Hardly. It speaks many truths of the human condition. I find it quite revealing. I just don't read it literally like a scientific account of the exact processes of how nature became what it is. I do not believe for one second, that was or is its real function. Why do you?

Why do people need it to be?

You will fight to the death defending your stance that no one actually said "let it be".

Projections from yourself onto others. I for one would never fight to the death over my beliefs, because I do not hold them, rest upon them, stand upon them, find security within them, or otherwise need to defend them as Truth. I rest in Truth, and how I believe is therefore free to change and adapt and be modified. Those that stand on their beliefs and nothing more, are the ones that must defend their ground. They see death to themselves if they move even one pebble of belief, because it is all they stand on.

This is wrong. This is setting yourself up for a crisis. It is lacking any spiritual ground, or at best, it mistakes beliefs with that spiritual ground. I believe that is probably more what you are guilty of, than having no sense of ground at all.

"Unity is our* central goal". Oh no! No way. "Your word is truth" and "the truth will set you free". That is what I WANT TO believe.

And that Truth, is Unity. Unity is different than "uniformity"! Uniformity of beliefs, is NOT Unity. Unity is a marriage, a uniting of hearts and souls existing in a diversity of individuals and beliefs into One. It is not about how we believe, but how we live.

So many poor ideas about what Truth is being taught from the pulpits of churches these days. No wonder we see such dysfunction and imbalance in the spiritual lives of these "believers". They're never told what Love is. Love is Unity. God is Love. God is Unity.

I was, and am right in my initial assessment. Science-denial is a spiritual problem.

 

[savagewind]

Kent Hovind is an idiot... I've never known anyone to take him seriously.

If you equate full of self and idiot, I agree. If you mean idiot as in knowing nothing of what he speaks of I must disagree. I think he makes some very good thinking points.

 

[savagewind]

I see, but I see this as a problem. I see it as a lack of spiritual self-awareness. To look externally to some book to tell you how you should act or feel will never allow you to realize that within yourself. As you become more spiritually self-aware, you know what it good and proper and true for yourself as well as others through that self-awareness. It is an internal process of awakening. To ever and only look outside yourself to tell you how you should think, act, and feel, will never allow you to be that in yourself. Spirituality is an internal thing, not some 'owner's manual' you read to tell you how to be a living, spiritual human being. If you do not know love in yourself, you will never be able to give that to another. It begins in self-knowledge.

"In that day shall my law be written on the tables of their heart". How does that happen? By telling you what to do? No. The "word of God", so to speak is not a book, it's a living awareness of spirit in the heart. Destroy every scrap of scriptures in the world, and that 'word' can still be known. Hmmm... good idea. Set down the book, and open the heart instead and 'read' that 'word' in every living thing. See what happens....


Those are entirely your notions. I personally would never call it 'nothing more that a fairy tale'. Hardly. It speaks many truths of the human condition. I find it quite revealing. I just don't read it literally like a scientific account of the exact processes of how nature became what it is. I do not believe for one second, that was or is its real function. Why do you?

Why do people need it to be?


Projections from yourself onto others. I for one would never fight to the death over my beliefs, because I do not hold them, rest upon them, stand upon them, find security within them, or otherwise need to defend them as Truth. I rest in Truth, and how I believe is therefore free to change and adapt and be modified. Those that stand on their beliefs and nothing more, are the ones that must defend their ground. They see death to themselves if they move even one pebble of belief, because it is all they stand on.

This is wrong. This is setting yourself up for a crisis. It is lacking any spiritual ground, or at best, it mistakes beliefs with that spiritual ground. I believe that is probably more what you are guilty of, than having no sense of ground at all.


And that Truth, is Unity. Unity is different than "uniformity"! Uniformity of beliefs, is NOT Unity. Unity is a marriage, a uniting of hearts and souls existing in a diversity of individuals and beliefs into One. It is not about how we believe, but how we live.

So many poor ideas about what Truth is being taught from the pulpits of churches these days. No wonder we see such dysfunction and imbalance in the spiritual lives of these "believers". They're never told what Love is. Love is Unity. God is Love. God is Unity.

I was, and am right in my initial assessment. Science-denial is a spiritual problem.

Yes "love is unity" with God, not with each other. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. John 10:16

The point of the sermon in the OP is the scientific community would tear out from under the children the wonderful reality God said "let there be light" and there was light. Did anyone actually watch it? This time I did. But the thread never got around to his talking points, did it?

 

[gnostic]

Why would I want to listen to a tax-cheat like Hovind? He's a bl##dy dishonest criminal.

 

[savagewind]

Why would I want to listen to a tax-cheat like Hovind? He's a bl##dy dishonest criminal.

OK. Did you get the drift why he evades his taxes? I do not know but by looking at what I do know I believe he has taken a stand against paying for lies in textbooks which is just one place his taxes go. I say bravo! Have fun in prison. Did you watch it? Did anyone watch it?

 

[Windwalker]

Yes "love is unity" with God, not with each other.

That's a tragic misunderstanding of this on your part. "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another"

"that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you."

The entire world should be reconciled through love, not through common beliefs. The heart and soul of the Christian message is reconciliation with God and with each other through Love. That some make it an ethnocentric- unity, that you are 'saved' by becoming one of the group and we must all now think alike and derive our unity through common belief, is a travesty to everything Jesus taught.

There is a quote I'm quite fond of by this one religious scholar. "Christianity hasn't failed. It's just never been tried yet." What you say about not loving one another tells me this is true.

I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. John 10:16

And when they hear the voice of love and unity in their hearts, then they too will be one with God and their neighbor. Personally, these lost sheep, I see as fitting the religious who think belonging to the group makes them saved. Reconciliation with God is a buzz word to them, not a living reality realized through Love.

The point of the sermon in the OP is the scientific community would tear out from under the children the wonderful reality God said "let there be light" and there was light. Did anyone actually watch it? This time I did. But the thread never got around to his talking points, did it?

This Hovind's, and your core problem. You do not know how to integrate faith in God in a modern world. The solution is not in denying science! It's in evolving belief! Unity, Love, God, the world, Peace are the goals, not blind adherence to a set of beliefs that belong to an age where we believed disease was caused by evil spirits. How we believe must be appropriate to the knowledge of the world as we know it.

The spiritual does not rest in beliefs. Do you not understand this?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

If you equate full of self and idiot, I agree. If you mean idiot as in knowing nothing of what he speaks of I must disagree. I think he makes some very good thinking points.

I definitely mean he has no idea what he's talking about. There is no logical basis for denying evolution.

 

[Poeticus]

Namaste,

A dude that can swindle tax money like that! ...is no idiot, folks! The man's a genius!

M.V.

 

[savagewind]

I definitely mean he has no idea what he's talking about. There is no logical basis for denying evolution.

There is no scientific basis for denying evolution.

Just one logical basis he brought out in the sermon (that you did not watch) is the question, where did the first sexual organism find a mate?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

There is no scientific basis for denying evolution.

Just one logical basis he brought out in the sermon (that you did not watch) is the question, where did the first sexual organism find a mate?

I watched his sermon. Some snakes have both male and female reproductive organs and impregnate themselves. If snakes don't need mates, who's to say the first sexual organism did?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Namaste,

A dude that can swindle tax money like that! ...is no idiot, folks! The man's a genius!

M.V.

He's a stupid genius, like Bill O'Reilly.

 

[savagewind]

That's a tragic misunderstanding of this on your part. "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another"

So sorry even though it be true we must love one another, Who is love? God is love.

It could read thus: Let God be strengthened among you. I have brought God to you, so you must bring God to one another. By this everyone will know I have taught you well, if you bring God to one another.

Wherever two or more are gathered in my name I am there.Matthew 18:20

Disclaimer. I do believe it is you dear Windwalker who is leading me off topic. But I will take the fall eventually imo.