11 states ban same-sex marriage

[Green Gaia]

Those states are: Oregon, Ohio, North Dakota, Mississippi, Georgia, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Arkansas, Utah, Montana and Michigan.

In five of the states, legislators placed the proposed amendments on the ballots, while in the six others — Arkansas, Michigan, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio and Oregon — the measures were advanced by conservative, church-backed citizens groups that collected signatures on petitions.

Hello, is anyone listening?!?!? This is forcing one religion upon the whole population, which is NOT all Christian. THIS IS WRONG! How can people not see that this sanctioning of one religion over all others is completely unconstitutional?? These amendments will be overturned, it's just a matter of how much states money will be diverted from education, health care, social programs to try this in the courts. Congratulations conservative Christians, you've guaranteed that these 11 states will have less money for our public schools, but by golly you stood up against the evil homosexuals who would destroy your marriage if they were allowed to legally protect their partners and families. Good for you!

 

[jewscout]

I urge any posters who live or who know people who live in those areas to march, petition, write, prank call whatever you have to do to get this crap repealed:banghead3 :tsk: .

 

[Green Gaia]

Oh it will be, it's completely unconstitutional and will never stand up in a court of law. Just look at what happened in Louisiana. It's just a matter of how long it will take.

 

[Jaymes]

All I can say is 'how'? How can people condone hate and unequality? It boggles (and greatly saddens) the mind.

 

[jewscout]

The religious right has been using Christianity as a weapon of hate for decades (which is sad and i'm sure Jesus had never intended it to be used as such) and from racism to sexism each issue they have lost. Now they are backed into a corner with the Homosexuality issue and they're becoming like a scared dog biting and clawing at anything that comes close to his last precious issue that makes him better than everyone else.
Luckily for my little sister HaShem doesn't care about lesbianism

 

[huajiro]

Those states are: Ohio, North Dakota, Mississippi, Georgia, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Arkansas, Utah, Montana and Michigan.

There is one state missing, I will assume that it is Texas judging from the butthead in office right now.

 

[Green Gaia]

No, it was Oregon. Sorry about that.

 

[robtex]

Hello, is anyone listening?!?!? This is forcing one religion upon the whole population, which is NOT all Christian. THIS IS WRONG!

A qoute from Martin Niemoller that is so true

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

http://www.telisphere.com/~cearley/sean/camps/first.html

 

[Mr Spinkles]

I am considering joining one of the gay-rights advocacy groups here on campus....I'm aware of a group called Spectrum, but I don't know if that's only for gay people or what...I know there is another group called the Gay-Lesbian-Bi-Straight alliance or something.

I forgot to add: a lot of Republicans in Ohio, like governor Taft, did not support the amendment because not only does it ban gay marriage, it also bans civil unions and affects senior citizens and single parents. Apparently, many people did not realize everything that this amendment entailed...I have heard some ballots did not even tell voters what exactly was in the "gay marriage amendment".

 

[Sunstone]

I am considering joining one of the gay-rights advocacy groups here on campus....I'm aware of a group called Spectrum, but I don't know if that's only for gay people or what...I know there is another group called the Gay-Lesbian-Bi-Straight alliance or something.

I forgot to add: a lot of Republicans in Ohio, like governor Taft, did not support the amendment because not only does it ban gay marriage, it also bans civil unions and affects senior citizens and single parents. Apparently, many people did not realize everything that this amendment entailed...I have heard some ballots did not even tell voters what exactly was in the "gay marriage amendment".

I'm glad to hear you're considering getting involved. You'd be an asset to any group you joined, Spinks.

Do you think the vote would have been different if people had been better informed of the scope of the amendment? What's your sense of where the majority of voters really are on this thing?

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Thanks Sunstone.

I think if more voters had been better informed, less of them would have voted for it, yes. Like I said, the thing was overwhelmingly rejected in the Ohio legislature and not even backed by Republicans. With a modest amount of campaigning, I think gay-rights advocacy groups could have at least greatly reduced the large percentage by which the amendment passed. I'm beginning to suspect that heterosexuals are apathetic and unwilling to stick up enough for homosexuals, just as many whites didn't stick up for blacks back in the day.

The uninformed masses reall made a poor vote on this amendment business....it's times like these I'm glad we don't live in a direct democracy.

 

[Sunstone]

NPR reports this morning that exit polls indicated over 60% of the people who voted favored some sort of civil union for homosexual couples, and that -- moreover -- only 36% of voters were adamantly against any form of recognition for homosexual couples. Some homosexual activists are saying that the best strategy now is to go for a gradual approach -- civil unions first, then marriage.

 

[maggie2]

Sunstone, you asked: Do you think the vote would have been different if people had been better informed of the scope of the amendment? The biggest problem is that people don't think. They listen to sound bites on the television and make up their minds from those. They get caught up in fear and the frenzy of homophobia and don't think. There are so many people who don't use their minds but jump on bandwagons. It never ceases to amaze me.

 

[DJEllipse]

have anyone of you ever actually READ the constitution? it was based off of christian values, and this country was based on christianity, untill it was warped and people seemed to add words to it for instance "separation between church and state" nowhere in the constitution does it say that, but it was briefly stated in a letter by jefferson(i think) and anyway separation of church and state simply means that the government shall not have a federal religion... and thats all it meant...

 

[Sunstone]

Yeah, I've read the Constitution, and I wonder if you could point out specific instances of where it's "based off Christian values"?

 

[Sunstone]

Sunstone, you asked: Do you think the vote would have been different if people had been better informed of the scope of the amendment? The biggest problem is that people don't think. They listen to sound bites on the television and make up their minds from those. They get caught up in fear and the frenzy of homophobia and don't think. There are so many people who don't use their minds but jump on bandwagons. It never ceases to amaze me.

Humans are a funny animal, Maggie. If they hear a lie often enough, they tend to believe it's true -- simply because they have heard it so often. Case in point: The notion that homosexual marriages are in opposition to the "sanctity of marriage". That notion does not hold up to rational analysis, but it's said so often that many people swallow it without thinking.

 

[skills101]

have anyone of you ever actually READ the constitution? it was based off of christian values, and this country was based on christianity, untill it was warped and people seemed to add words to it for instance "separation between church and state" nowhere in the constitution does it say that, but it was briefly stated in a letter by jefferson(i think) and anyway separation of church and state simply means that the government shall not have a federal religion... and thats all it meant...

DJ, I have a copy of the Constitution right in front of me. Please point out where it says "God" in it. I'm flipping through the section of the Constitution in my American History Textbook; nowhere does it say that the writers based it on Christian teachings.

The Constitution is actually based mostly off philosophers in the Enlightenment period,thinkers free from the authority of the Catholic Church. For example:

John Locke- life, liberty, and right to property.
Baron de Montesquieu- division of government power - our Judicial, Executive, and Legislative Branch.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau- founder of modern democracy.