16 Reasons Why Hillary Clinton Will Win 2016

[Sunstone]

Namaste,
She's definitely got all the credibility and experience you would want from a president.

I will grant that. Clinton is presidential material. My beef with her is that she's too much for the status quo to make a real difference in these troubled times.

 

[Sunstone]

Namaste,

Is Hilary a good candidate? What is the general opinion here about her as a candidate?

M.V.

Sadly for me, I think she's the best positioned candidate the Democrats have. I wish Warren were as well positioned for a run for the nomination and presidency as Clinton. But wishes don't always matter much.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Why do you think that about clinton and wall street? Do you feel Obama would be stiffer against wall street than clinton?

He hasn't been so far, and he can't run again, so.....

 

[tytlyf]

I'm of the opinion that both Obama and the Clintons are in Wall Street's pockets. I leave the notion that one is better than the others for the hair splitting political theologians.

Nah, I'd say every single republican would be in the wall streets pockets much much more. It really boils down to congress and laws/regulations that can get votes.

In my opinion, no matter which of those three you elect, you will see no regulation of the financial sector effective enough to prevent another Great Recession like the Great Recession of 2008, you will continue to see such things as tax breaks and/or subsidies to corporations that are off-shoring American jobs, and you will continue to see the devastation and decline of the Middle Class. In my opinion, those three clowns are puppets of the 1% who increasingly appear to be the real rulers of this country.

It comes down to congress as above. If people keep sipping the rights kool-aid, they'll continue voting in people who will filibuster/railroad any legislation that increases taxes/regulations on wall street. Wall street and the lack of regulations contribute to the vanishing of the middle class.

In partial contrast, Elizabeth Warren has a history of siding against Wall Street and with the Middle Class -- what's left of the Middle Class, that is. But I'm not even sure she would do. Maybe the 1% can -- in the end -- co-opt her too! After all, she would need tons of money to run for president, and the 1% are the people with the most money. They're the people Obama and the Clintons have gone to for funds in the past. If Warren had to go to them, wouldn't she end up as much in their pocket as Obama and the Clintons.

I still think it's more party related. Clinton isn't for less regulations on wallstreet. She's not for allowing them to run free. Same goes for most democrats. The insider trading and other BS these huge hedge funds do kills the middle class investors. They have the power to manipulate the market for their benefit and leave the novice investor with losses. (See housing bubble) I know my parents took a couple million dollar hit after that. They vote republican because they are wealthy and do so for tax breaks. None of that tea party/conservative stuff. WHat I do find funny is that they like CONmedia (fox, rush). But I know it has nothing to do with the way they vote.

At least, that's how I see it. How do you see it?

I think in 10 years we'll start seeing a more educated and intelligent nation making responsible voting decisions.

 

[tytlyf]

He hasn't been so far, and he can't run again, so.....

That was just a general question (meant to mean prior to becoming president). Or an overall view of ones views.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

16 Reasons? She only needs 5... Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, and Bill. I'm going to vote for her strictly in hopes that Bill will run everything behind the scenes. I love that guy.

 

[Sunstone]

Nah, I'd say every single republican would be in the wall streets pockets much much more. It really boils down to congress and laws/regulations that can get votes.

It comes down to congress as above. If people keep sipping the rights kool-aid, they'll continue voting in people who will filibuster/railroad any legislation that increases taxes/regulations on wall street. Wall street and the lack of regulations contribute to the vanishing of the middle class.

I still think it's more party related. Clinton isn't for less regulations on wallstreet. She's not for allowing them to run free. Same goes for most democrats. The insider trading and other BS these huge hedge funds do kills the middle class investors. They have the power to manipulate the market for their benefit and leave the novice investor with losses. (See housing bubble) I know my parents took a couple million dollar hit after that. They vote republican because they are wealthy and do so for tax breaks. None of that tea party/conservative stuff. WHat I do find funny is that they like CONmedia (fox, rush). But I know it has nothing to do with the way they vote.

Well, we will need to agree to disagree on a large part of what you've wrote, but I do find your opinions informed and interesting.

I think in 10 years we'll start seeing a more educated and intelligent nation making responsible voting decisions.

I hope so. I think there is a small chance that Americans will radicalize over the next ten to twenty years. I don't give it more than a small chance, but I think it's possible. If they radicalize, it will be because they reverse their current course and start to really pay attention to what's going on. Not the version of what's going on put out by the corporate controlled media, but to what's actually going on. I think that would enough to radicalize nearly anyone.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Sadly for me, I think she's the best positioned candidate the Democrats have. I wish Warren were as well positioned for a run for the nomination and presidency as Clinton. But wishes don't always matter much.

Which Warren?

 

[Sunstone]

16 Reasons? She only needs 5... Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, and Bill. I'm going to vote for her strictly in hopes that Bill will run everything behind the scenes. I love that guy.

What do you like best about Bill? And does his support for such things as NAFTA ever trouble you?

 

[Sunstone]

Which Warren?

Elizabeth.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Elizabeth.

That woman is such an idiot... I hate her. Wanted to cry when my state voted her into the Senate.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I'm slowly....slowly....trying to forgive the Clintons. But I admit, there's some deep scars there from the 90's and DOMA.

Probably why right now I have a difficult time with the idea of Hillary for President. I think she's the most likely candidate, and my emotional reaction is to want to run to the bathroom and puke.

 

[Sunstone]

That woman is such an idiot... I hate her. Wanted to cry when my state voted her into the Senate.

Interesting! What has she done that you consider idiotic?

 

[Sunstone]

I'm slowly....slowly....trying to forgive the Clintons. But I admit, there's some deep scars there from the 90's and DOMA.

Probably why right now I have a difficult time with the idea of Hillary for President. I think she's the most likely candidate, and my emotional reaction is to want to run to the bathroom and puke.

Yeah, with over 300 million people in this country, we must have some folks who are, not just a bit above being village idiots, but well above being village idiots, and who could run the country in ways that were sound, humane, and benefited most of us. Instead, we overwhelmingly tend to get people who are better politicians than they are humans, who have no visions for the country that will lessen our deep political divides, and who are more interested in their own power than they are in serving the nation.

 

[Poeticus]

Namaste,

Thank you for your answers, tytlyf and Sunstone! Much appreciated!

M.V.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Interesting! What has she done that you consider idiotic?

For one, she lied about being Native American; even applied for law school under minority status in spite of a lack of evidence for her lineage. As a Native American myself (who has never tried to use being a minority as a crutch), I was offended that she would take advantage like that, and am not alone in that sentiment. I don't see it as any different than someone who has never been in the military claiming to be a veteran so that more people will respect them. She also lied about being the first nursing mother to ever take the bar exam, which I think is just a stupid thing to lie about. She has also publicly stated that she doesn't believe domestic terrorists should be stripped of their citizenship, which is a statement I couldn't disagree more with. I don't think those people deserve human rights, let alone citizenship.
I don't have many issues with her policy itself, besides her views on gun control, marijuana, defense spending, and animal rights (but pretty much any Democrat is going to have the same views on those issues). I just don't think she's very intelligent. I view her as the Sarah Palin of the left wing.

 

[Revoltingest]

More reasons that Hillary could win.....
- She'll continue the economic policies of Obama.
- Sturdy ankles.
- She has never sent text messages under the name "Carla Danger".
- Bill as First Man portends great entertainment.
- There's no chance that she'll be found in an extra-marital tryst.
- She's not Joe Biden.
- Not since GHW Bush have we had a commander in chief with actual combat experience.
[youtube]uHVEDq6RVXc[/youtube]
Hillary WASN'T LYING! Bosnia gunfire footage discovered... - YouTube

 

[Sunstone]

For one, she lied about being Native American; even applied for law school under minority status in spite of a lack of evidence for her lineage. As a Native American myself (who has never tried to use being a minority as a crutch), I was offended that she would take advantage like that, and am not alone in that sentiment. I don't see it as any different than someone who has never been in the military claiming to be a veteran so that more people will respect them. She also lied about being the first nursing mother to ever take the bar exam, which I think is just a stupid thing to lie about. She has also publicly stated that she doesn't believe domestic terrorists should be stripped of their citizenship, which is a statement I couldn't disagree more with. I don't think those people deserve human rights, let alone citizenship.
I don't have many issues with her policy itself, besides her views on gun control, marijuana, defense spending, and animal rights (but pretty much any Democrat is going to have the same views on those issues). I just don't think she's very intelligent. I view her as the Sarah Palin of the left wing.

You make some good points (although I think it might be a bit overboard to liken Warren to Palin -- Palin seems to me a one off). However, I would still vote for Warren based on her willingness to take on Wall Street and the banking industry. I don't think anyone is perfect, and politicians are the least perfect among us, so I expect Warren as a person to have flaws, and as a politician to have ridiculous flaws. But in these days, I think anyone willing to take on the financial sector needs to be in a position to do so.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

You make some good points (although I think it might be a bit overboard to liken Warren to Palin -- Palin seems to me a one off). However, I would still vote for Warren based on her willingness to take on Wall Street and the banking industry. I don't think anyone is perfect, and politicians are the least perfect among us, so I expect Warren as a person to have flaws, and as a politician to have ridiculous flaws. But in these days, I think anyone willing to take on the financial sector needs to be in a position to do so.

While I agree that we need more politicians willing to stand up to the banks (who are screwing all of us), I would still hesitate to vote for Warren based on my personal dislike of her. She would only get my vote if it came down to a "lesser of two evils" scenario, say if it were between Warren or Paul Ryan. I think there are plenty of better Democratic candidates, and Hillary Clinton is at the top of that list, mainly because I love King Bill, but also because I have a high opinion of her and her policy. I would also prefer for Hillary not to choose Warren as her running mate, as I feel there are others more qualified for the vice presidency. Would it be possible for Hillary to choose Bill as her running mate?! Or is that not allowed since he was already president and if he had to take over for Hillary it would be like a third term?

On a side note, I voted for Scott Brown over Warren in the Massachusetts Senate race, because he voted pretty much consistently with the populace in his first term, was pretty moderate on social issues, and he's an overall nice guy who I have respect for; I know his daughters and have met him a few times. I know he's a senator I could have a beer with, because I've had a beer with him .

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not that people don't change their minds, last I heard she said she isn't going to run.
Hillary Clinton Says She's Not Running in 2016 (Again) - Alexander Abad-Santos - The Atlantic Wire

I just want to see what else is out there. I’ve been doing this incredibly important and satisfying work in Washington as I say for 20 years. I want to get out and spend some time looking at what else I can do to contribute.