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2014 Health Costs Grew At Fastest Rate Since Obamacare Introduced

esmith

Veteran Member
Front page story in this mornings paper said that last year spending last year (2014) grew at the fastest pace since Obama took office. After five years of historically low growth, national health expenditures increased by 5.3%, reaching a high of $3 trillion, or $9523 for every man, woman, and child. This report came from HHS. Seems that another "promise" fostered on the American public has been broken. Is it time to tear Obamacare apart and get a system that people want? And no I'm not in favor of a single payer system.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
From everything I have seen, the rate of increase post Obamacare is roughly the same as before Obamacare. Not surprising as Obamacare does very little about the cost problem.

Very little can actually be done about the cost problem without actually taking control of the system with single payer.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
True, healthcare shouldn't be a for-profit system. That's how it's gotten to the way it is today. Corrupt, expensive, etc.
For instance, UnitedHealthcare is pulling out of Obamacare because their profits are hurt. Greed Over People.
These insurance companies don't like covering people with Pre-existing conditions because profits are hurt
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Front page story in this mornings paper said that last year spending last year (2014) grew at the fastest pace since Obama took office. After five years of historically low growth, national health expenditures increased by 5.3%, reaching a high of $3 trillion, or $9523 for every man, woman, and child. This report came from HHS. Seems that another "promise" fostered on the American public has been broken. Is it time to tear Obamacare apart and get a system that people want? And no I'm not in favor of a single payer system.

Great. I look forward to voting for your plan to make sure that I can never get health insurance again so that your premiums are cheaper.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
True, healthcare shouldn't be a for-profit system. That's how it's gotten to the way it is today. Corrupt, expensive, etc.
For instance, UnitedHealthcare is pulling out of Obamacare because their profits are hurt. Greed Over People.
These insurance companies don't like covering people with Pre-existing conditions because profits are hurt
Guess the Democrats didn't think when they fostered this on the American public did they.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Guess the Democrats didn't think when they fostered this on the American public did they.
Among the major findings:

— Prescription drug spending shot up by 12.2 percent in 2014, driven by new medications for hepatitis C infection, as well as treatments for cancer and multiple sclerosis. Hepatitis C drugs contributed $11.3 billion in new spending.

— The growth in per-person health care spending was driven mainly by greater use of medical services, which outpaced increases in the price of those services. That suggests that some newly insured people got care they had previously gone without. Additionally, already-insured people may have gotten elective treatments postponed earlier during lean economic times.

— Medicare spending increased by 5.5 percent last year, the fastest rate of growth since 2009. The two biggest reasons were the rising cost of prescription drugs, and more spending for doctors' services and other outpatient care.

— Spending on Medicaid, the federal-state health insurance program for low-income people, jumped by 11 percent in 2014, the fastest growth in more than a decade. That was mainly driven by the health law's Medicaid expansion, which is optional for states. In some reassuring news for states, the report found that per-person spending declined due to healthier people signing up in the program. Also, the federal government picked up nearly all the new costs. [ibid]

Works for me.

BTW, are you truly blaming Obama for "[p]rescription drug spending ... up by 12.2 percent in 2014, driven by new medications for hepatitis C infection, as well as treatments for cancer and multiple sclerosis. "? You're so cute. :)
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
From everything I have seen, the rate of increase post Obamacare is roughly the same as before Obamacare. Not surprising as Obamacare does very little about the cost problem.

Very little can actually be done about the cost problem without actually taking control of the system with single payer.

Well, what can one expect. Obamacare was originally a Republican idea.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Front page story in this mornings paper said that last year spending last year (2014) grew at the fastest pace since Obama took office. After five years of historically low growth, national health expenditures increased by 5.3%, reaching a high of $3 trillion, or $9523 for every man, woman, and child. This report came from HHS. Seems that another "promise" fostered on the American public has been broken. Is it time to tear Obamacare apart and get a system that people want? And no I'm not in favor of a single payer system.
Interestingly, I recall a respected poster here providing evidence that health care costs were falling just before Obamacare was to take effect.
(It was supposed to support the claim that Obamacare would reduce costs......an odd claim, given the pre-ACA time frame.)

Mrs Revolt (a Democrat) is in the health care analysis & consulting business.
I asked her about the cost increases & the profit woes some major providers are having.
Her take on it was complicated, with many causes.
I don't feel informed enuf to weigh in on the causes.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
Interestingly, I recall a respected poster here providing evidence that health care costs were falling just before Obamacare was to take effect.
(It was supposed to support the claim that Obamacare would reduce costs......an odd claim, given the pre-ACA time frame.)

Mrs Revolt (a Democrat) is in the health care analysis & consulting business.
I asked her about the cost increases & the profit woes some major providers are having.
Her take on it was complicated, with many causes.
I don't feel informed enuf to weigh in on the causes.

That is the problem, in a nutshell, with the whole issue. The entire quagmire is so complex there is no simple fix. The closest I can come after spending a fair amount of time researching the issue is several large things.

Too many people are trying to get rich in the industry.
Insane complexity in the system from top to bottom.
Tied to that is the lack of a central information database (which they are working on and may contribute to this short term spike in cost).
Not enough doctors (an international problem).

But even those are a vast oversimplification.

I know many disagree but I see no way of solving most of that without controlling the system. Set medication cost. Single payer system would vastly reduce paperwork and complexity. The problem is that at the same time, you cannot cut doctors salaries as there is a shortage.

Tough nut to crack.

I chuckle that the insurance companies are now complaining that the new health care law is costing them money. As I remember it, the complaint when it passed was that Insurers largely wrote the bill.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That is the problem, in a nutshell, with the whole issue. The entire quagmire is so complex there is no simple fix. The closest I can come after spending a fair amount of time researching the issue is several large things.

Too many people are trying to get rich in the industry.
Insane complexity in the system from top to bottom.
Tied to that is the lack of a central information database (which they are working on and may contribute to this short term spike in cost).
Not enough doctors (an international problem).

But even those are a vast oversimplification.

I know many disagree but I see no way of solving most of that without controlling the system. Set medication cost. Single payer system would vastly reduce paperwork and complexity. The problem is that at the same time, you cannot cut doctors salaries as there is a shortage.

Tough nut to crack.
One thing I observe is that the barriers to entry for doctors is quite high.
1) Med school is long & expensive.
2) Internships have low pay & brutal hours.
The last one appears to be the easiest to make more attractive.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
One thing I observe is that the barriers to entry for doctors is quite high.
1) Med school is long & expensive.
2) Internships have low pay & brutal hours.
The last one appears to be the easiest to make more attractive.

That sounds like a good idea. Looks like we agree on something....!
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I hear so much about lower premiums, but why are deductibles barely mentioned in association with Obamacare? No one seems to like addressing deductibles.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
I hear so much about lower premiums, but why are deductibles barely mentioned in association with Obamacare? No one seems to like addressing deductibles.
Maybe because it runs opposite of many's infatuation with the plans namesake:)
 
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