Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
If you believe there was vote fraud in the 2020 US Presidential election which robbed President Trump of victory, please post your best evidence. I would then like those to be fact checked.
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2020 Presidential Election Vote Fraud Claims and Facts
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Yes. We need to reduce the amount of B.S. propaganda and conspiracy theory spam.
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I've always thought fraud could be easy to commit, especially when computers get involved or too many votes which can't all be verified or traced back to the people making them for certain. I became alert to this all back during the Bush times and the idea that computer funny business could lead to vote counts being easily manipulate and appearing legitimate. Its nice if that through all this fuss come further improvements and ways to really be more certain about results. I've long considered American Politics to be full of corruption, hoaxes, fraud, manipulation, dirty tricks, evil behind closed doors. I think there were totally ordinary people counting the votes and did a good job as well, and why the votes change with mail in ballots was also generally explained in a way that was satisfactory to me (for a system I already doubt and don't really believe is trustworthy, with only corrupt politicians ever in office with corrupt agendas that harm the whole world quite often).
What is interesting though are the various people of a more educated sort perhaps with high level positions who are banding together to supposedly expose fraud.
What is interesting though are the various people of a more educated sort perhaps with high level positions who are banding together to supposedly expose fraud.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Often with these things, the goal is to get these rumours out there as widely as possible, faster than the fact checkers can demolish them. In this way a vague cloud of suspicion can be generated, so that people with little time for delving into it may think there's no smoke without fire.
It's a deeply cynical tactic, of course, but one that comes as no great surprise.
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More than that, I think we should consider that RF should treat misinformation like Twitter does when conspiracy theorists spread false information. Tag the posts with big red mod letters saying,
"This post was removed because it contains misleading information".
or
"This post contains disputed information", and such.
or
"This post contains disputed information", and such.
I think it's a good thing to put the foot down on abusing the social media platform, using it to spread false or misleading information.
Here's what Twitter is doing now. Updating our approach to misleading information . I'd vote to see that done here as well.
If someone can't, or isn't willing to fact check the garbage they repost, then the media platform site they are using can do it for them in order to stop the spread of lies and rumors as truth.
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Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Please abide by my request in the OP. This is about evidence, not general opinions about the election.
joe1776
Well-Known Member
I think the sage advice given to posters on the Internet applies to Trump and his minions --- "ignore the trolls." They are offering nothing but the noise expected from sore losers. And they hate being ignored because that signals that their nonsense isn't being taken seriously.
It's time to celebrate a return to decency!
It's time to celebrate a return to decency!
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
By creating a dedicated thread for it?
Twitter is an incredibly large platform with a lot of social pull that has been targeted by numerous organizations for spreading misinformation. In response they have a paid staff whose job it is to validate claims and resources to do so. We do not.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
For fact checking and refuting falsehoods. A lot of the claims being posted were debunked days ago. Also having a single dedicated thread would hopefully cut down on the conspiracy spam.
You can rely on the membership to report false information to the moderation staff, with sources confirming it as such. We treat misinformation about Covid-19 being spread that way already here, as a rule listed in the moderation rules. We really should expand that to all this Q-Anon crap, and other such extremist misinformation.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
We can also rely on the membership to rebutt claims as they come up. Covid19 is a special circumstance of public health interest we decided we must take action on. And I highly doubt rumors and conspiracy theories about elections, US or abroad, will get similar treatment.
That's going too far and leads to a slippery slope. At that point, we couldn't talk about 9/11 or the JFK assassination, which there have been many threads debating. Let's not become Facebook or Google, who are just banning people left and right .
We are. It's about the false information, and dealing with it. Right?
Also, let's not become a landing zone for conspiracy theorists to infest with false information, like an alt-right site, or Q-Anon, or such.
I suppose that depends upon how bad or egregious the misinformation is. For myself, if I find blatantly false and misleading information being promoted on RF, I will report it to the mod staff, same as I will for false information about Covid. I also see false stories meant to sow distrust and disrupt society, as a health threat. It certainly affects social, as well as mental and physical health in the forms of stress and violence. I just had seeing RF being used as a platform for those ends that way.
We're not now and haven't been in the past, so I see no reason why that would ever happen. This board is extremely skewed to the left so this would not be a choice forum for far-right people to join. There's not many conservatives on here as it is, let alone people with radical right beliefs. This board is a landing zone for angry anti-theists to mock and insult religious people, quite frankly. And the animosity towards Trump supporters and conservatives displayed here is a noted issue.