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4th Abrahamic Religion?

Ephramsdaughter

Kiwi Latter-day Saint
What do you think of the following idea of the SBC now referring to Mormonism as being the 4th Abrahmaic Religion?

[excerpt] "WASHINGTON – Is Mormonism the fourth Abrahamic religion? The head of the Southern Baptist Convention’s political arm discussed the idea this week during an interview regarding presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

Dr. Richard Land, president of the SBC’s Washington-based Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said on the TV show “Political Capital” with Al Hunt that he considers the Mormon Church to be the fourth Abrahamic religion.

“Judaism being the first, Christianity being the second, Islam being the third and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints being the fourth,” said the prominent Baptist leader.
Although his consideration of Mormonism being an Abrahamic faith could be seen by some as a promotion of the religion typically considered a cult by Christians, Land clarified that he views Mormonism “in the same sense” as he looks upon Islam – as another religion.
“Joseph Smith would play the same character in Mormonism that Muhammad plays in Islam,” Land noted, referring to the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, or Mormonism….

Mormonism was formally listed under “cults and sects” by the Southern Baptist Convention, but was newly categorized among “newly developed religions” on the North American Mission Board apologetics page.

Michelle Vu
Christian Post"

At least the SBC doesn't list us as a cult now! Progress, I suppose!
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
From my perspective I accept Mormons as Christians.
Not a totally different religion.
It is a branch of Christianity, and has its base in the love of Christ.
 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
It is a form of Christianity, so I would say it's Abrahamic.

Like Terry, I've never considered LDS to be seperate from Christianity/Abrahamic religions.
 

Fluffy

A fool
I wouldn't refer to it as the fourth Abrahamic religion.

However, this is a step in the right direction.
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
It isn't a step int he right direction. We are christians, and we are already labeled under the "2nd abrahamic" e don;t really care what the southern baptist convention thinks we are. they label us as a "cult" for crying out loud.
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
Considering that they don't consider us Christians and hatefully label us a cult, I'd say, yes, it is a baby-step in the right direction.

Too bad, we don't need their acceptance which doesn't really mean anything in the first place.

We are Christians they need to deal with it.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Too bad, we don't need their acceptance which doesn't really mean anything in the first place.

Really now?

Do you know how many people out there will not give us a second glance because they've heard we aren't "Christian"? How many people slam the doors on missionaries? Think about it.....
 

Sthatting

Member
Too bad, we don't need their acceptance which doesn't really mean anything in the first place.

We are Christians they need to deal with it.

I'm inclined to agree with this statement. :)

According to modern Christianity, a Christian is not only a follower of Christ, but someone who has a personal relationship with Christ. As far as I know, the LDS Church has this:

Mormon.org - Exhibit
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
Really now?

Do you know how many people out there will not give us a second glance because they've heard we aren't "Christian"? How many people slam the doors on missionaries? Think about it.....

yep. the question of whether we are christian or not is killing the missionary effort in the South.

Labelling us as a 4th Abrahamic religion is not going to help, it's just another way to say we aren't christian.
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
Exactly, also by calling it Mormonism, i sounds as if we revere and worship Mormon, rather than Jesus Christ and God the Father. the same to beings of both the old and new testament.

We are already under the "Christian" banner because we follow Christ and his teachings. We don;t believe in different things than Chrisitans, we believe more things on top of the basics. why? because we accept the BoM and the Doctrine and Covenants as the Word of God. PEople forget that we use the Bible. we use the same bible everyone else does.

We are Chrisitans. we don't need being called the "4th abrahamic religion" one bit.

Joseph smith is to Mormons what Mohammed is to Muslims? please.... we do not worship Joseph Smith. He was a prophet on par with Moses, Noah, Abraham, and Isaiah. We don't worship prophets and apostles or saints. only one being is the recipient of our worship and that is God.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Joseph smith is to Mormons what Mohammed is to Muslims? please.... we do not worship Joseph Smith. He was a prophet on par with Moses, Noah, Abraham, and Isaiah. We don't worship prophets and apostles or saints. only one being is the recipient of our worship and that is God.

Do you know anything about Islam?

They don't worship Mohammed anymore then we worship Joseph Smith. Please before claiming something, get your facts right. It makes you look less ignorant if you have your facts right.
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
Do you know anything about Islam?

They don't worship Mohammed anymore then we worship Joseph Smith. Please before claiming something, get your facts right. It makes you look less ignorant if you have your facts right.

We don't change our names to joseph when we convert, nor do we pray in the name of mohammed.
the Quran is to the musilims, what the D&C is to us. it is Mohammed's writings. just as the D&C is Joseph Smith's and other church leaders of the time.
If anything Mohammed is to them what Christ is to us.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
If anything Mohammed is to them what Christ is to us.
I sure wish a Muslim would come along and set you straight. Muslims do not worship Mohammad. They do not see him as the Son of God. They do not believe that He came to earth to redeem them.

It drives me crazy when non-Mormons say, "Mormons believe..." and complete the sentence with something Mormons don't believe at all. You are doing exactly the same thing by saying, "Muslims believe..." and completing the sentence with something Muslims don't believe. That's not the way to debate. Furthmore, it's against the rules of the forum.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
We don't change our names to joseph when we convert, nor do we pray in the name of mohammed.
the Quran is to the musilims, what the D&C is to us. it is Mohammed's writings. just as the D&C is Joseph Smith's and other church leaders of the time.
If anything Mohammed is to them what Christ is to us.

Again, you do not have a clue what you are talking about. I would invite any Muslim on RF to come and tell you what they actually believe instead of you posting drivel about what you 'think' they believe.
 

ayani

member
Hatter, i am sorry, but you are simply wrong.

Muslims do not worship Muhammed, nor do we "pray in his name" as a Christian might pray "in Jesus' name, amen".

Muslims say "bismillah" which means "in the name of God", and we regard Muhammed as a messenger, not a divine figure or a semi-divine figure. he was a man, a human being, who relayed a message. he is the central prophet of Islam, a pious and beloved figure, but how Muslims understand Muhammed is in no way comparable to how Christians would view the person-hood of Jesus.
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
We don't change our names to joseph when we convert, nor do we pray in the name of mohammed.
Nor do Muslims pray in the name of Muhammad! :)
Hatter, i am sorry, but you are simply wrong.

Muslims do not worship Muhammed, nor do we "pray in his name" as a Christian might pray "in Jesus' name, amen".

Muslims say "bismillah" which means "in the name of God", and we regard Muhammed as a messenger, not a divine figure or a semi-divine figure. he was a man, a human being, who relayed a message. he is the central prophet of Islam, a pious and beloved figure, but how Muslims understand Muhammed is in no way comparable to how Christians would view the person-hood of Jesus.
What she said! :bow:
Jazaki Allahu khayran sis!
 
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