574 days left :D Until Jesus returns

[Just_me_Mike]

No he didn't. This May 2012 or whatever it is is his own concoction. He has a very involved and ***-backwards way of calculating biblical time lines. He disagrees with Camping on several "key" dates and age estimates.

He posted his "calculations" as proof of how he came to this specific date once on another site. He has an exact date for the flood and what day of the week Noah got off the ark.

BTW, Auto he declined to will his personal effects. An offer made before by somebody. He could not offer a good reason why but he declined to name anyone in his will. So don't expect him to take your bet - or anyone else's.

End times prediction should be made of sterner stuff.

Check your facts, this is the only forums I belong too I agree with Harold's timeline. You have me mistaken with someone else???
What is all this non-sense about wills? I have talked with Tumble about this before and he know about Harold (to some degree) so please retract the nonsense you are stating.

 

[Erebus]

Maybe there's a living in following predictions
and betting all you've got against 'em.....

keep doubling your money every...
I dunno? six months? three years? or ten?

Still you can't lose.

As a student living off bread and cereal, my heart skipped a beat at this prospect

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Awww, but that's 5 days before my birthday!

Why this date of all others, though?

This day is significant for several reason, but one that you will quickly understand (not believe) is it is 7,000 years to the day from when Noah entered the ark.

 

[Breathe]

This day is significant for several reason, but one that you will quickly understand (not believe) is it is 7,000 years to the day from when Noah entered the ark.

Ah, I see.

But regardless of my beliefs (and how this date is known so exactly), I'd like to ask why would Jesus return on the day when Noah entered the ark? Why not when he left the ark, why does the ark come into this though? Why not the day of his ascent into Heaven, or Abraham's covenant, or his birthday, or the day when Moses led the Hebrews out of Egypt?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Ah, I see.

But regardless of my beliefs (and how this date is known so exactly), I'd like to ask why would Jesus return on the day when Noah entered the ark? Why not when he left the ark, why does the ark come into this though? Why not the day of his ascent into Heaven, or Abraham's covenant, or his birthday, or the day when Moses led the Hebrews out of Egypt?

It is significant, because the day Noah entered the ark, it symbolized where we must be on that last day. If we are not in Jesus we will be as those in the flood. That is one reason that date is as it is. Jesus and the ark are similar in that way, the ark was salvation from judgment for Noah.

There are other reasons this works out, but that should specifically address your question.

 

[MSizer]

OK, seriously itwillend, I'm not presenting this in a mocking fashion - I'm addressing you sincerely. Imagine someone said to you "last night I had a dream about my cousin out west, and then I got an email today notifying me that he had died yesterday in a car accident". Now, the unscientific mind thinks that obviously there was some sort of connection there, some sort of paranormal explanation for which the person had dreamed on the night that his cousin died. But then when you really think about it, his cousin probably knows a few hundred people (if you include facebook...) so it would actually be highly unlikely that someone wasn't thinking about him or dreaming about him on the day that he died. In fact it would be more difficult to explain if nobody had been thinking of him when he died. Do you see what I'm getting at? My point is that it's easy to make up a "theory" (loosely used). But when we ignore the misses, and only focus on the "hits", our "theories" appear much more valuable than they are.

 

[T-Dawg]

Maybe there's a living in following predictions
and betting all you've got against 'em.....

keep doubling your money every...
I dunno? six months? three years? or ten?

Still you can't lose.

No one would agree to this proposal, because even if the prediction was correct, the person betting that it would be correct wouldn't be able to enjoy their prize, because the world wouldn't exist anymore .

 

[Just_me_Mike]

OK, seriously itwillend, I'm not presenting this in a mocking fashion - I'm addressing you sincerely. Imagine someone said to you "last night I had a dream about my cousin out west, and then I got an email today notifying me that he had died yesterday in a car accident". Now, the unscientific mind thinks that obviously there was some sort of connection there, some sort of paranormal explanation for which the person had dreamed on the night that his cousin died. But then when you really think about it, his cousin probably knows a few hundred people (if you include facebook...) so it would actually be highly unlikely that someone wasn't thinking about him or dreaming about him on the day that he died. In fact it would be more difficult to explain if nobody had been thinking of him when he died. Do you see what I'm getting at? My point is that it's easy to make up a "theory" (loosely used). But when we ignore the misses, and only focus on the "hits", our "theories" appear much more valuable than they are.

I appreciate that. Please note that for the last year I have been studying the misses of this theory alot more than the hits, as obviously a lot is at stake. So, I agree with you 100%.

There are a few holes I am concerned about with this theory, but they are not very significant to the overall theory, but instead incidental implications of the theory.

In other words, big man walks down street. Big man kicks kid in the leg.
Just on that information alone we can't conclude the big man had a bad night or lost his job or whatever. That is what I mean by incidental implications tha don't really matter, what we do know is the kid was kicked.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

No one would agree to this proposal, because even if the prediction was correct, the person betting that it would be correct wouldn't be able to enjoy their prize, because the world wouldn't exist anymore .

So you are the only one I am ware of that has posted that believes in Jesus.

You stated earlier I believe that the bible says no one knows the date. Why does that mean no one "will" ever know? In other words, it is OK for you to believe in Jesus, but ignore other things the bible teaches.

Why not research into it? Essentially what you are saying is you want to be in darkness about His return, and want Jesus to come as a thief in the night. I do not understand that as a Christian.

 

[T-Dawg]

So you are the only one I am ware of that has posted that believes in Jesus.

You stated earlier I believe that the bible says no one knows the date. Why does that mean no one "will" ever know? In other words, it is OK for you to believe in Jesus, but ignore other things the bible teaches.

Why not research into it? Essentially what you are saying is you want to be in darkness about His return, and want Jesus to come as a thief in the night. I do not understand that as a Christian.

Good luck. It says not even JESUS knows when the end is coming. Don't you think if there was a way to know, God's son would have known it all along?

What makes you think that the end will come on May, 2011 anyway?

 

[Breathe]

What makes you think that the end will come on May, 2011 anyway?

More specifically, why on my son's 3rd birthday?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Good luck. It says not even JESUS knows when the end is coming. Don't you think if there was a way to know, God's son would have known it all along?

This is an awful big declaration of you, something you must have given much thought to, to be able to conclude with such surety.
The verse you are using does indeed say the Son did not know. Do you believe Jesus was equal with God or was God in the flesh as the book of John says? Please answer before we go on.

What makes you think that the end will come on May, 2011 anyway?

Lots of study and consideration about how God operated in the bible. Suffice it to say, if God does not tell us when he will end the world, it will be the first time he doesn't warn us. Not very loving or merciful in that regard. It is that ideology that got me thinking maybe there is a way to know.

 

[WhatandWhy]

The fact that your evidence is something that could not be proven or dis proven says a lot for this argument. If this debate had something a little more substantial then it would be a worthwhile argument. We will not know if they are speaking the truth or not until that day comes.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

The fact that your evidence is something that could not be proven or dis proven says a lot for this argument. If this debate had something a little more substantial then it would be a worthwhile argument. We will not know if they are speaking the truth or not until that day comes.

What woud you like to see? Let's start with this book
http://www.amazon.com/Mysterious-Numbers-Hebrew-Kings/dp/082543825X/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
It outlines a timeline that is crucial to the overall timeline. Are you familiar with it?

 

[T-Dawg]

This is an awful big declaration of you, something you must have given much thought to, to be able to conclude with such surety.
The verse you are using does indeed say the Son did not know. Do you believe Jesus was equal with God or was God in the flesh as the book of John says? Please answer before we go on.

Ah, so you say that John does not belong in the Bible, because he denies that Jesus and God are one and the same. Makes sense enough.

Lots of study and consideration about how God operated in the bible. Suffice it to say, if God does not tell us when he will end the world, it will be the first time he doesn't warn us. Not very loving or merciful in that regard. It is that ideology that got me thinking maybe there is a way to know.

Doesn't really tell me much. "Lots of study and consideration" is sort of vague.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Ah, so you say that John does not belong in the Bible, because he denies that Jesus and God are one and the same. Makes sense enough.

I am afraid it is hard to conversate if you are going to have premature assumptions about me.
I belive the whole bible is the word of God, John included. My question to you earlier was not a setup for assumption, but a straight forward question.
So please answer it.

 

[T-Dawg]

I am afraid it is hard to conversate if you are going to have premature assumptions about me.
I belive the whole bible is the word of God, John included. My question to you earlier was not a setup for assumption, but a straight forward question.
So please answer it.

If you believe the whole Bible to be the word of God, then why do you deny that one verse?
And for the record, no, I don't believe that Jesus and God are one and the same. Jesus explicitly puts God as superior to himself several times in the Gospels.

 

[DallasApple]

A thief in the night gives not warning.No announcement.

YOur arrogant at best if you think you have time and date specific.Delusional at worst.

Alos if you are using(embracing) scientific calcualtions to come up with this date and time???Try using science for something helpful besides running around claiming you know when everyone will die (who is alive at the time)and how happy you are about it.

Embrace it to keep people alive and healthy and happy before we all die.(which we all do).

Thats just a gentle suggestion.

Love

Dallas

 

[richardlowellt]

Very exciting! :yes:

I'm always amazed that grown up intelligent people can actually believe stuff like this. Haven't there been predictions in the past that have never happened, what makes anyone think this will, actually happen, besides some biblical gibberish?

 

[Madhuri]

A good list here Richard:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-discussion/86299-doomsday-predictions-revealed.html