75 Theses ~ Science Against Evolution

[Muslim-UK]

DNA is not complex, it is made up of 4 simple nitrogen based molecules bound to a sugar and a phosphate molecule. However there is a lot of it. Quantity is not complexity

DNA is very complicated, as I said, even a teaspoon contains more information than all the books in the Wold combined:

The genome continues to show evidence of complexity and precise design.

“While the prevalence of this new genetic code in the DNA seems to be less common than cytosine methylations, the unexpected linguistic complexity of this epigenetic tag is anything but simple,”

Jeffrey P. Tomkins, Ph.D in genetics writes, “As scientific discovery advances in the field of genomics, the genome and its diversity of elaborate interlocking languages speaks of vast levels of intelligent bio-engineering, not purposeless random evolution.”

 

[Muslim-UK]

Alternatively try this one....

Doctors do warn pregnant women not to drink excessively during pregnancy. Eating fish off the coast of Fukushima isn't the best idea either. Agent Orange and other Chemicals have also had a devastating affect on birth defects. Your video illustrates these points well enough and could have mentioned a Million and One reasons how the environment some people live in, and the food eaten can have a negative impact on our health.

 

[Muslim-UK]

Can i fire that right back at you? What evidence do you have to suggest it was god?

He tells us through Messengers and Prophets of course.

 

[Altfish]

Doctors do warn pregnant women not to drink excessively during pregnancy. Eating fish off the coast of Fukushima isn't the best idea either. Agent Orange and other Chemicals have also had a devastating affect on birth defects. Your video illustrates these points well enough and could have mentioned a Million and One reasons how the environment some people live in, and the food eaten can have a negative impact on our health.

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

 

[Altfish]

Jeffrey P. Tomkins, Ph.D in genetics writes, “As scientific discovery advances in the field of genomics, the genome and its diversity of elaborate interlocking languages speaks of vast levels of intelligent bio-engineering, not purposeless random evolution.”

BUT he uses the phrase "...purposeless random evolution" - whatever that is, it is NOT evolution.

 

[Muslim-UK]

BUT he uses the phrase "...purposeless random evolution" - whatever that is, it is NOT evolution.

Who said it was? Natural selection is GOD's plan, purposeful, planned and designed that way from the start of Creation.

 

[Altfish]

Who said it was? Natural selection is GOD's plan, purposeful, planned and designed that way from the start of Creation.

You can't argue with that trump card. Sort of kills all scientific arguments which doesn't recognise the supernatural

 

[Muslim-UK]

You can't argue with that trump card. Sort of kills all scientific arguments which doesn't recognise the supernatural

There's a book written 400 years before Darwin available online: https://asadullahali.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/ibn_khaldun-al_muqaddimah.pdf<<<Pages 137/138 being relevant to Evolution.

"God knows, and you do not know." The author of the book - God forgive him!-says: I completed the composition and draft of this first part, before revision and correction, in a period of five months ending in the middle of the year 779 [November, 1377 C.E.]. Thereafter, I revised and corrected the book, and I added to it the history of the (various) nations, as I mentioned and proposed to do at the beginning of the work. Knowledge comes only from God, the strong, the wise.

Muslim Scientists had nothing to fear. Early Islam promoted the study of nature and the cosmos to better understand our past.

Western Scholars like Sir William Draper (1875) called it 'Mohammedan theory of evolution of man from lower forms'.

Say, [O Muhammad], "Travel through the land and observe how He began creation. Then Allah will produce the final creation. Indeed Allah, over all things, is competent." Qur'an 29:20

The complexity found within nature can adequately be explained using a Intelligent Designer as the source. This conclusion may never be accepted by those who seek a purely naturalistic explanation, but for theists, it fits like a glove and shows Science is 100% compatible with our beliefs. Scholars are increasingly waking up and taking power away from atheists:

 

[ChristineM]

DNA is very complicated, as I said, even a teaspoon contains more information than all the books in the Wold combined:

The genome continues to show evidence of complexity and precise design.

“While the prevalence of this new genetic code in the DNA seems to be less common than cytosine methylations, the unexpected linguistic complexity of this epigenetic tag is anything but simple,”

Jeffrey P. Tomkins, Ph.D in genetics writes, “As scientific discovery advances in the field of genomics, the genome and its diversity of elaborate interlocking languages speaks of vast levels of intelligent bio-engineering, not purposeless random evolution.”

And as i said, you are confusing quantity with complexity.

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A genome is an organism's complete set of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA), a chemical compound that contains the genetic instructions needed to develop and direct the activities of every organism. DNA molecules are made of two twisting, paired strands. Each strand is made of four chemical units, called nucleotide bases. The bases are adenine (A), thymine (T), guanine (G) and cytosine (C). Bases on opposite strands pair specifically; an A always pairs with a T, and a C always with a G.

The human genome contains approximately 3 billion of these base pairs, which reside in the 23 pairs of chromosomes within the nucleus of all our cells. Each chromosome contains hundreds to thousands of genes, which carry the instructions for making proteins. Each of the estimated 30,000 genes in the human genome makes an average of three proteins.
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Extract from Human Genome Project Completion: Frequently Asked Questions

I had no idea bill gates was a geneticist. However he is on the right track, a computer program is made of 0s and 1s, a dna molecule is more complex made up of A, T, G and C

Actually the human genome has been mapped and is published in a series of books, i believe about 100 books in total contain the map of the entire structure. Thats for an entire human. Please advise where you get you claim that a teaspoon contains more information than all the books in the world combined.

I also would like you to provide your evidence for precise design.

Your next to last quote is unatributed and seems to be be qualified by the word *seems*. Showing a bit of hairy fairy clutching at straws.

Your last quote is by a creationist working for the IRC so is taken with as much salt as i can stand without gagging.

 

[ChristineM]

He tells us through Messengers and Prophets of course.

So no evidence at all, just the third party word of some long departed people who cannot be questioned and hence their word verified.

 

[ChristineM]

BUT he uses the phrase "...purposeless random evolution" - whatever that is, it is NOT evolution.

The guy is a creationist working for the IRC (perhaps couldn't get a job in the scientific world). One cannot expect lucid and relevant phrases from such a **scientist** when he has so many avid god magic believers hanging on his every attempt to discredit fact.

I actually chuckled when @Muslim-UK quoted him.

 

[blü 2]

the definition of supernatural​

1.
of, relating to, or being above or beyond what is natural;
​

Where is 'above what is natural'? Where is 'beyond what is natural'?

unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.
​

That would have to mean 'unexplainable in principle', not merely 'unexplained at this time', no? If so, I'm not aware of any candidates for the supernatural category.

2.
of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to God or a deity.
​

But there's no definition useful to reasoned enquiry of a real god is ─ what test would tell us whether any candidate were a real god or not. (Imaginary gods, no problem, of course.) So this definition is no help in real life.

4.
of, relating to, or attributed to ghosts, goblins, or other unearthly beings; eerie; occult.
​

Almost anyone can get the creeps in the right situation. That's not relevant here.

And the rest are either dealt with above or are irrelevant too.


So if we're talking about reality, the place where things have objective existence, aren't simply imaginary, we still lack a useful definition of 'supernatural'.

 

[Muslim-UK]

And as i said, you are confusing quantity with complexity.

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A genome is an organism's complete set of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA), a chemical compound that contains the genetic instructions needed to develop and direct the activities of every organism. DNA molecules are made of two twisting, paired strands. Each strand is made of four chemical units, called nucleotide bases. The bases are adenine (A), thymine (T), guanine (G) and cytosine (C). Bases on opposite strands pair specifically; an A always pairs with a T, and a C always with a G.

How is that straightforward?

Strings of precisely sequenced chemicals called nuclear type bases supply assembly instructions the information for building the crucial protein molecules that living cells need to survive.

The dna protein lock has 10 BILLION possible combinations all resulting in gibberish, with one correct code resulting in ONE successful functional protein being created. The longer the molecule, the longer the lock.

1 short protein corresponding to 150 amino acids long, would require 10 to 195th power other amino acid arrangements of that length were actually functional, ie how many variations of unlocking the lock.

The human genome contains approximately 3 billion of these base pairs, which reside in the 23 pairs of chromosomes within the nucleus of all our cells. Each chromosome contains hundreds to thousands of genes, which carry the instructions for making proteins. Each of the estimated 30,000 genes in the human genome makes an average of three proteins.
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Extract from Human Genome Project Completion: Frequently Asked Questions

3 Billion of these precisely sequenced pairs just to make 1 human being.

Actually the human genome has been mapped and is published in a series of books, i believe about 100 books in total contain the map of the entire structure. Thats for an entire human. Please advise where you get you claim that a teaspoon contains more information than all the books in the world combined.

Scientists say all the world’s data can fit on a DNA hard drive the size of a teaspoon

"Scientists say all the world’s data can fit on a DNA hard drive the size of a teaspoon."

 

[Muslim-UK]

The guy is a creationist working for the IRC (perhaps couldn't get a job in the scientific world). One cannot expect lucid and relevant phrases from such a **scientist** when he has so many avid god magic believers hanging on his every attempt to discredit fact.

I actually chuckled when Muslim-UK quoted him.

He's a qualified Scientist with a Phd in genetics. If he believes in GOD, then so what, many brilliant Scientists of the past did so too.

 

[Altfish]

There's a book written 400 years before Darwin available online: https://asadullahali.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/ibn_khaldun-al_muqaddimah.pdf<<<Pages 137/138 being relevant to Evolution.

"God knows, and you do not know."

400-years before Darwin we're talking 1450, great I'll take that ahead of modern science any day...NOT.

As I said, you've played the god card, I have no answer. You win. A pyrrhic victory I suspect.

 

[Misunderstood]

1.
of, relating to, or being above or beyond what is natural;
​

Where is 'above what is natural'? Where is 'beyond what is natural'?

unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.
​

That would have to mean 'unexplainable in principle', not merely 'unexplained at this time', no? If so, I'm not aware of any candidates for the supernatural category.

2.
of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to God or a deity.
​

But there's no definition useful to reasoned enquiry of a real god is ─ what test would tell us whether any candidate were a real god or not. (Imaginary gods, no problem, of course.) So this definition is no help in real life.

4.
of, relating to, or attributed to ghosts, goblins, or other unearthly beings; eerie; occult.
​

Almost anyone can get the creeps in the right situation. That's not relevant here.

And the rest are either dealt with above or are irrelevant too.


So if we're talking about reality, the place where things have objective existence, aren't simply imaginary, we still lack a useful definition of 'supernatural'.

I was responding to a request for a definition for 'Supernatural'. That was a cut and paste from "Dictionary.com" I also had a link to it. If you look it up in most dictionaries I think you will get a similar definition. I think if you have a problem with the definition you would need to take it up with Dictionary.com.

However, if someday it is proven God created life on earth and science has no explanation, I guess that definition might come in handy.

 

[ChristineM]

How is that straightforward?

Strings of precisely sequenced chemicals called nuclear type bases supply assembly instructions the information for building the crucial protein molecules that living cells need to survive.

The dna protein lock has 10 BILLION possible combinations all resulting in gibberish, with one correct code resulting in ONE successful functional protein being created. The longer the molecule, the longer the lock.

1 short protein corresponding to 150 amino acids long, would require 10 to 195th power other amino acid arrangements of that length were actually functional, ie how many variations of unlocking the lock.

3 Billion of these precisely sequenced pairs just to make 1 human being.




Scientists say all the world’s data can fit on a DNA hard drive the size of a teaspoon

"Scientists say all the world’s data can fit on a DNA hard drive the size of a teaspoon."

I never said straightforward, i said not complicated. Please do not misrepresent me to bolster your specious claims. I also said you were confusing quantity and complexity. That snippet shows how simple dna is and how much there is of billions of simple molecules. Your understanding is not required.

Wtf has all the worlds data on a teaspoon to do with your claim? I have demonstrated that the human genome is published in around 100 books. You have not demonstrated your claim that "even a teaspoon contains more information than all the books in the Wold combined"

You have also not addressed your claim that dna shows "precise design"

You want to see pretty pictures of the book shelf?

 

[ChristineM]

He's a qualified Scientist with a Phd in genetics. If he believes in GOD, then so what, many brilliant Scientists of the past did so too.

A phd does not mean he is a scientist, it only means he passed a university course.

There is a differences between believing in god and lying to try discrediting evidence and fact because it upsets his sensibilities.

 

[blü 2]

I was responding to a request for a definition for 'Supernatural'. That was a cut and paste from "Dictionary.com" I also had a link to it. If you look it up in most dictionaries I think you will get a similar definition. I think if you have a problem with the definition you would need to take it up with Dictionary.com.

However, if someday it is proven God created life on earth and science has no explanation, I guess that definition might come in handy.

Thanks.

My point is that the definition, though mainstream, doesn't in fact make sense, is outright fluffy when it comes to denoting.

 

[Misunderstood]

Thank you for your reply, it is fun to chat with someone. I am going to move on from this however as it is not the topic of the OP. I was just supplying a response to a request on 'supernatural', and do not want hijack the thread.