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911 Tribute

CMike

Well-Known Member
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Go 22 minutes into it.
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Pres. Bush's GREAT megaphone speech
I so miss him
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CMike

Well-Known Member
Another thing that caught my attention about the Bushie speech is his compassion.

He had his arm around the fire fighter, and asked him if he was okay.

Anyone see Obama doing that?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
There are so many unclear and scientifically unexplainable things about the 9 11, that the best tribute would be the political decision to reopen investigations.

and still we see people calling other people names...such as paranoids, conspirationists...etc
honestly...I cannot explain how concrete pulverizes in the air, before reaching the soil, during a collapse.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
There are so many unclear and scientifically unexplainable things about the 9 11, that the best tribute would be the political decision to reopen investigations.

and still we see people calling other people names...such as paranoids, conspirationists...etc
honestly...I cannot explain how concrete pulverizes in the air, before reaching the soil, during a collapse.
But would you be satisfied with what such an investigation, 13 years after the fact, would turn out? Aren't you already locked into a certain mindset that makes reasonable explanations impossible? Do you have the scientific background to understand what the experts conclusions are?

In regards to the OP. America, never forget. Forgive, but never forget.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
In regards to the OP. America, never forget. Forgive, but never forget.

You cannot forgive the unforgivable.

what they did will never be forgiven. It deals with actions that will remain carved in history for eternity. and that no God can ever erase
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
You cannot forgive the unforgivable.

what they did will never be forgiven. It deals with actions that will remain carved in history for eternity. and that no God can ever erase

As a fellow Christian (I think), I'm not sure if it is unforgivable. Forgiveness is for us - the victim - and not for the offender. We forgive so that we can live in victory and peace even though we have been severely and unspeakably wronged. It's not to excuse the offender's crimes, but to cleanse ourselves from the evil that has touched us.

Now there's another side to the coin. America's blind, seething rage from 9-11 has caused the deaths of more than a million people. We lost 3,000 and slaughtered a million people, most of them civilian. If we fear God's judgement for the 9-11 criminals, how much more so will God judge us for so much destruction. And what really bothers me about this is that God brings perfect justice in the afterlife to those who did not face judgement in this life. That is, some crimes are so terrible and some people so untouchable that no justice can be meted out in this life.
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
But would you be satisfied with what such an investigation, 13 years after the fact, would turn out? Aren't you already locked into a certain mindset that makes reasonable explanations impossible? Do you have the scientific background to understand what the experts conclusions are?

In regards to the OP. America, never forget. Forgive, but never forget.
Forgive? Why?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Lest people become consumed by their rage and hatred, effectively making them just like their attackers? Just a thought.

ah, precisely. I misunderstood your sentence, but I meant another thing by forgiving.
That is, it's obvious that it is absolutely necessary to move on and to think of the future. But my or your forgiveness is useless...because for those people there is no hope. They are lost souls.
We don't hate them, of course. It's them who hate.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I find that "never forget" slogan to be quite meaningless. We haven't forgotten and it's gotten us nowhere, anyway. Just like remembering the Holocaust hasn't stopped other genocides from happening.
Sorry to trouble you with all the nuisance. Seriously, what was I thinking?
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
Lest people become consumed by their rage and hatred, effectively making them just like their attackers? Just a thought.
You can not be consumed by rage and still not forgive.

There actions can not be forgiven.

By forgiving to me that mean it's okay now. It's not.
 
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