A Bunch of Reasons Why I Question Noah's Flood Story:

[TagliatelliMonster]

Believing in God is not insane.

Insanity is defined by believing something rare. If you believe in Aliens its OK since a lot of people believe in Aliens. If you believe in Aliens in your bedroom that is considered insane.

Right, but believing in physically impossible floods, talking burning bushes, talking serpents, jewish guys dieing and then coming back to life several days later, living in a fish for several days and live to tell the story, the sun "coming to a halt in the sky", ...... or any other "miracle" which happens to be part of one's preferred religion, then it's okay, purely by virtue of the insane beliefs being part of one's preferred religion.


The double standard is painfully obvious.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The anthropic principle is something physicists don't mess with.

As far as I know, basically all physicists confess they have no better explanation than God because of it.

You must not know a lot of physicists.

Personally, I know of NO physicist worthy of the name who would even suggest that "god dun it" is an explanation in ANY sense of the word. Let alone a "good" explanation.

I do know a LOT of physicists who say the exact opposite though. Including theistic ones.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Since there would be many unbelieving, it makes sense that God would have to hide evidence of the flood or make it hard to notice, and with a great event there could be a great concealment.

How does that make any sense whatsoever?
The reason people disbelieve things, is because they have no valid reason to do otherwise.
NOT hiding the evidence of the biblical flood, would provide us with reasons to believe that that flood occurred.

And yes, hiding evidence is a form of lying.

We do that by keeping His commandments.

By catering to his petty jealousy?
By stoning adulturers?
By killing gay people who had sex?
By killing disobedient children?
By keeping slaves?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If God made us know everything He knew at all times, there would be no test on earth for us.

So your god rewards gullibility and punishes rational reasoning.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Well my Church kicks you in the pants when it comes to humanitarian aid I can bet.

Let's just assume for a moment that the ONLY people in the world who engage in charity and humanitarian aid, are christians. Let's just assume that for a second. NOBODY ELSE does charity work.

Does that make the bible true?
No, it does not.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Nope. He's allowing someone to believe what they want

No. Instead, he's ensuring that the claims in the bible can't rationally be believed, by cleaning up and hiding the evidence left behind. In fact........ not only is he covering up his actions..... he's rearranging everything to make it look like it NEVER occurred and in some cases, actually plants evidence that something entirely different occurred instead.

When someone goes out of their way to make sure there is no evidence left of one's actions, and even plants new evidence to specifically mislead observers, then that is deception. There is no way around that.

 

[tas8831]

Numbers 22:38 and miracles don't cease.

Awesome - using a bible verse and an assertion to corroborate biblical claims!

I've seen many miracles.

No you haven't.

.. they just don't happen among non-believers.[/imagine that - what a coincidence! Just like how only people that believe uin ghosts see them!

You couldn't test them scientifically if the scientists were too skeptical.

Right - because one must really really WANT an event to be a miracle to justify their devotion to their beliefs in order to see that it is a miracle.
Amazing...

 

[tas8831]

You wouldn't know would you.

I wouldn't know of something that has never occurred, correct.

 

[tas8831]

Miracles don't cease. I've seen many miracles.

Name some of these miracles, and also provide the evidence that they were actual miracles.

And no crying statues, water stains on buildings that look like Jesus, a cloud that looks like an eagle, etc. Thanks!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Geology does not show a worldwide flood.
I believe in God.
I believe God could have caused this.
God is not a liar.
That doesn't mean God has explained the flood to everyone.
Miracles cease among the unbelieving.
Since there would be many unbelieving, it makes sense that God would have to hide evidence of the flood or make it hard to notice, and with a great event there could be a great concealment.
But God will reveal everything in the apocalypse.
I am not making a false idol out of the Bible... I find it a great book to get close to God... the morals from these stories are impeccable.
If you believe in the Bible, you have to believe what the Bible says about who will believe it. That is something you don't seem to understand.
God does not have to stoop to our standards. We would be much better trying to be like God and seeking ways to appreciate His morals.
We do that by keeping His commandments.
Some things can only be seen on the other side.
I am not making a false idol out of the Bible; I am in fact reverencing the parts of it about who would believe it that you seem to not care about; you can't pick and choose which parts of the Bible to test!

Appreciate his morals? This God we're talking about endorsed slavery and genocide. I don't find those things to be particularly moral. My morals are better than that God's morals.

 

[tas8831]

Appreciate his morals? This God we're talking about endorsed slavery and genocide. I don't find those things to be particularly moral. My morals are better than that God's morals.

And lets not forget what Yahweh does to fetuses and children whose parents do not worship Him anymore....

Hosea 13:16

 

[`mud]

I would think that a whole bunch of these people aren't vaccinated !

Did `God` or `satan` provide the vaccine ?
Any guesses ? You say: Man did it ! Could be...but what is the purpose ?

By `God`, `satan`, or Man ?

I know what `Life` offers, in spite of the Stuff that follows.
What is the purpose ?

 

[robocop (actually)]

It's hard to get a big picture given the two parts of the Bible that contradict on many important things, namely that god was quite judgmental and willing to murder in the OT, but had a change of heart in the NT. What big picture does this tell us, that God is stable and morally consistent?


Well experiments have to be consistent with facts and other theories, and they do. Evolution is called a unifying theory as many other theories in numerous branches of science all confirm it works. You don't get consistency like that in the Bible.


It doesn't work as we see with many believers reject true things about reality, and believe things that are contrary to knowledge about reality. That's the Holy Spirit causing these mistakes?

The NT people were ready for a greater law.
I believe in evolution.
What reality? Yours or mine?

 

[robocop (actually)]

No, it wasn't.

Please point out the "religious variable" in any of his equations.

Sorry; I'm rusty.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Right, but believing in physically impossible floods, talking burning bushes, talking serpents, jewish guys dieing and then coming back to life several days later, living in a fish for several days and live to tell the story, the sun "coming to a halt in the sky", ...... or any other "miracle" which happens to be part of one's preferred religion, then it's okay, purely by virtue of the insane beliefs being part of one's preferred religion.


The double standard is painfully obvious.

It depends on how many believe it.

 

[robocop (actually)]

You must not know a lot of physicists.

Personally, I know of NO physicist worthy of the name who would even suggest that "god dun it" is an explanation in ANY sense of the word. Let alone a "good" explanation.

I do know a LOT of physicists who say the exact opposite though. Including theistic ones.

Leonard Susskind admitted it in my opinion.

 

[robocop (actually)]

How does that make any sense whatsoever?
The reason people disbelieve things, is because they have no valid reason to do otherwise.
NOT hiding the evidence of the biblical flood, would provide us with reasons to believe that that flood occurred.

And yes, hiding evidence is a form of lying.



By catering to his petty jealousy?
By stoning adulturers?
By killing gay people who had sex?
By killing disobedient children?
By keeping slaves?

People draw conclusions on what they observe like the donkey.

Your list is forbidden by the 10 commandments, not practiced in Judaism, and against the NT.

 

[robocop (actually)]

So your god rewards gullibility and punishes rational reasoning.

Not at all. He doesn't punish people for not believing in the flood but the story teaches morality.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Let's just assume for a moment that the ONLY people in the world who engage in charity and humanitarian aid, are christians. Let's just assume that for a second. NOBODY ELSE does charity work.

Does that make the bible true?
No, it does not.

It makes the Bible have utility.

 

[F1fan]

I believe in evolution because I went to UCLA for a year.

Some of your fellow Christian/believers would call you brainwashed.

But we don't "believe" in theories in science, that is sloppy language. Some say "I believe in evolution ...' only because of the strong and rabid Christian misinformation about the science, and there is a social confusion about the science and the phenomenon of evolution. The dispute of evolution and other theories in science by some Christians and Muslims has caused confusion, and those who aren't properly educated on science, and also how Christianity has been a bad influence on education, ofter think of evolution as a Coke versus Pepsi situation. The Christian ideas of Creationism are given way too much credibility. Creationists know they can't win the war, but they can cause confusion and doubt, and thus harm society as a whole as a sort of retribution for society not accepting their bad faith claims and beliefs. This bad faith has bled into conservative politics, it is that toxic.