A Bunch of Reasons Why I Question Noah's Flood Story:

[F1fan]

Think of it this way. Through different interpretation, God gave the same instructions to everyone and they reacted according to their moral level.

And apparently many of the atheists here have a superior moral level than you do.

 

[F1fan]

If God wanted us to be as good as He was we would be Gods ourselves and not need Him.

We are just asking you to be as moral and good as an atheist. As it is your acceptance of slavery is YOU presuming the morality of an evil God. Why would you want to align yourself to evil?

 

[robocop (actually)]

No, it isn't. You are defending slavery.
I would never defend slavery.


We're not talking about primitive people. We're talking about (supposed) directives from God.



I'm not trying to get you to stop believing in God. I'm trying to get you to critically analyze the consequences of the belief system you are espousing here. Because our beliefs inform our actions.

According to the Bible (aka God), slavery is fine and dandy. There are instructions as to where I can get my slaves, how long I own them, how I can treat them, etc. The Bible (and in your opinion, God himself) endorses the immoral act of slavery. And you're defending it. You are defending an immoral action. And then you claim that "modern belief in God just helps people to be good." Well, not if they're following what that God supposedly laid out for them in the Bible. What is really going on there is that modern people understand that slavery is actually immoral, despite the God of the Bible telling them that it's okay. In other words, they've surpassed your God's morality. Thankfully.

If I wanted to have a slave today, and I followed the instructions supposedly set forth by God in the Bible that you follow, would that be immoral, or moral?


You've claimed that God's morals actually do change earlier in this thread. Now you say they don't. Despite what the Bible says about slavery.

And if God is not a liar, then how come "he" said slavery is okay?


Oh okay so it's okay to be immoral if it's for good reasons.
Can you even hear yourself?

2021 Standards? Are God's standards not timeless?

I'm sorry, but I find your views to be messed up and I'm not going to keep trying because it's a waste.

 

[robocop (actually)]

If you fully understood some of those "Commandments" you might not say that. Number Ten basically bans cheeseburgers. That is the "Do not boil the kid in the milk of its mother".. And in case you are having weird thoughts "kid" means "young goat" in that context. No children being eaten here..

We are talking about the 10 commandments.

 

[robocop (actually)]

You are for slavery, period. That you might not think race is a good reason for slavery is irrelevant. You don't condemn slavery and that is a crime against humanity.

You've already admitted you don't want to be a slave, but have no problem enslaving others. That is immoral. And if your religion can't help you rise above this, then it's a failed and obsolete religion.

Do you think the secular laws in the USA and other First World nations that ban slavery are wrong? Are these bans (that exist due to legal and broad human rights) wrong in God's eyes?

I'm going to repeat this.

I am not for slavery today. I'm for tolerating slavery by a primitive people in a way that was better than it was recently. If you can't see the difference, I'm getting sick of you all:

• In both the Old and New Testaments, the words used to denote slaves did not necessarily carry the same connotations that we associate with slavery today. Only by understanding the biblical texts and the cultures that produced them can we understand what is being referred to in the Bible.
  
  
• The stealing and selling of human beings, such as has been common throughout human history, is a capital offense according to Old Testament law. The return of fugitive slaves to their masters was also illegal.
  
  
• In almost every instance, the kind of slavery governed by Old Testament law was debt-slavery, where an individual would offer labor in exchange for an outstanding debt that he could not pay. The laws that govern such transactions are given to protect the rights of such slaves, who could only serve for a maximum of six years.
  
  
• Early Christians had to work out their treatment of one another under Roman law, which they lacked the political influence to change.
  
  
• The Christian community was a counter-cultural movement in which social distinctions were all but erased. Jesus is the true Lord, and masters and slaves were expected to treat each other as beloved brothers and sisters and equal members of the body of Christ.

 

[robocop (actually)]

And apparently many of the atheists here have a superior moral level than you do.

That may be, but I am following the best Church I can find. It doesn't condone slavery.

 

[robocop (actually)]

We are just asking you to be as moral and good as an atheist. As it is your acceptance of slavery is YOU presuming the morality of an evil God. Why would you want to align yourself to evil?

I do not condone slavery. I have answered this question too many times.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm sorry, but I find your views to be messed up and I'm not going to keep trying because it's a waste.

Well that's quite telling because we were talking about YOUR views in that post.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That may be, but I am following the best Church I can find. It doesn't condone slavery.

The Bible you follow does. And you have earlier in this thread when you were trying to defend it.

Perhaps you should read through your own posts again.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm going to repeat this.

I am not for slavery today. I'm for tolerating slavery by a primitive people in a way that was better than it was recently. If you can't see the difference, I'm getting sick of you all:

• In both the Old and New Testaments, the words used to denote slaves did not necessarily carry the same connotations that we associate with slavery today. Only by understanding the biblical texts and the cultures that produced them can we understand what is being referred to in the Bible.
  
  
• The stealing and selling of human beings, such as has been common throughout human history, is a capital offense according to Old Testament law. The return of fugitive slaves to their masters was also illegal.
  
  
• In almost every instance, the kind of slavery governed by Old Testament law was debt-slavery, where an individual would offer labor in exchange for an outstanding debt that he could not pay. The laws that govern such transactions are given to protect the rights of such slaves, who could only serve for a maximum of six years.
  
  
• Early Christians had to work out their treatment of one another under Roman law, which they lacked the political influence to change.
  
  
• The Christian community was a counter-cultural movement in which social distinctions were all but erased. Jesus is the true Lord, and masters and slaves were expected to treat each other as beloved brothers and sisters and equal members of the body of Christ.

These have already been addressed.

 

[ecco]

I am more concerned about my own morality than God's. This isn't enough to make me toss the whole Bible.

It should be. Why would you worship such an evil entity?

 

[ecco]

They did the best they could with being limited. It is obvious that God is not going to give us morality from the year 2300 just like God didn't give them our morality then, or maybe God has given it to us but we just don't understand it yet.

Apologetics isn't your strong suit. But, nice try.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I'm sorry but I really don't believe I've contradicted myself or bitten any bullets.

Have a nice day!

Also, I believe I've answered your questions already. If you have something new to ask go ahead, but I'd much prefer to end this conversation.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Also, when I change my mind I say so.

 

[`mud]

We go around and around getting no-where while running around this gargantuan bush.

I find it interesting to discuss morality and mortality from one creator,

that which is deemed to be forever, like `God`, I will go to `forever`,

for how many years ? Wow !

 

[F1fan]

I do not condone slavery. I have answered this question too many times.

Well thank you for FINALLY realizing slavery is bad for everyone, and not just just you. Aint being moral fun?

 

[F1fan]

That may be, but I am following the best Church I can find. It doesn't condone slavery.

Why do you need to follow a church? What makes them right, and you in need of their service?

Do you not have confidence in your own executive ability?

 

[robocop (actually)]

Why do you need to follow a church? What makes them right, and you in need of their service?

Do you not have confidence in your own executive ability?

My own executive ability makes me prefer a hive mind, and also I believe my church is linked up to God.

They always seem to say the things I want them too anyway.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Belief in God or the Bible is not insane.

That completely depends on how that belief manifests.


A literal interpretation and the belief that god poofed everything into existence 6000 years ago, with the talking snake and the magical physically impossible boat and all that.... that's pretty insane.

About as insane as believing that north america from coast to coast measures 7 miles. That's about the margin of error we are talking about here.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

614.

Ha, so you do know.

So before, you were just lying / playing dumb?