A Challenge to the Theist and Atheist

[Ben Dhyan]

Well, that is your claim. I disagree. Existence is all around us. We know it exists. We have no proof of the existence of a God.

You merely playing mind games, there is nothing else but the stuff of God, God is the one that is the apparent all....omnipresent.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

In other words, through making it up, or blindly believing other people who made it up.

It seems you do not understand what was said to you, but I suspect you are being purposely obtuse to avoid acknowledging that as an atheist, you must obfuscate any explanation that you see threatens your beliefs.

 

[Cephus]

It seems you do not understand what was said to you, but I suspect you are being purposely obtuse to avoid acknowledging that as an atheist, you must obfuscate any explanation that you see threatens your beliefs.

Says the guy with an imaginary friend.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Says the guy with an imaginary friend.

Now you dropped all pretense to engage in a logical manner and revert to adolescent retorts.

 

[Polymath257]

You merely playing mind games, there is nothing else but the stuff of God, God is the one that is the apparent all....omnipresent.

Yes, you can identify God with the universe. And, in some ways, it works. But it just isn't the way *most* people use the word 'God'. But, if it tickles your funny bone, go for it.

 

[Cephus]

Now you dropped all pretense to engage in a logical manner and revert to adolescent retorts.

It is impossible to engage in an logical discussion with someone who has no clue what logic is.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I can provide you with the guidance if you were to aspire to it, but it remains you who would have to devote your life to it to realize it.

What incentive is there to do that? My present worldview is rational, just, and has served me well for decades. I am happy.

I'm not looking for a change, and there is no reason to believe that your worldview would improve my life. How could it?

What are you offering that will improve this life? It is stimulating and satisfying, and filled with love and beauty. I hope that my life can remain as it is for as long as possible.

If you'd like to know more about finding the same satisfaction, feel free to ask. Much of the secret is to not want more than you need, and to know what brings happiness and what does not.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

there is no existence without God!

I have no need of that hypothesis. I see a godless reality.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Science does not even fully understand what an electron is yet, not alone an Atom, or a human being, but thanks for admitting that the Universe is not understood.

What about electrons did you want to know?

I'll bet that science knows more about electrons than typical non-scientists can understand. Do you know what spin is? Wave-particle duality? A fermion? A lepton? The photoelectric effect and its significance to quantum theory? Position-momentum uncertainty? Time-energy unceratainty.

How about quantum entanglement or atomic orbitals.

If you know none of that, your objections based on unknowing speak to you, not science.

And what does what we don't know yet have to do with anything? Are you alluding to gods? Is this a god-of-the-gaps argument - "you don't know such-and-such, therefore a god did it."?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

You merely playing mind games, there is nothing else but the stuff of God, God is the one that is the apparent all....omnipresent.

Sorry, but as Hitchens noted, " What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

Gods add nothing to our understanding. Even if some existed, knowing that would not be useful, either. How could we use the information were it true that six creator gods, three now dead, anonymously created our universe, then left it? What would we do with that? Throw a funeral for the dead ones?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes, you can identify God with the universe. And, in some ways, it works. But it just isn't the way *most* people use the word 'God'. But, if it tickles your funny bone, go for it.

Perhaps, but truth is not a numbers game, most people are stuck in belief mode, whether of the religious or scientific kind, they do not go beyond that.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It is impossible to engage in an logical discussion with someone who has no clue what logic is.

Child...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What incentive is there to do that? My present worldview is rational, just, and has served me well for decades. I am happy.

I'm not looking for a change, and there is no reason to believe that your worldview would improve my life. How could it?

What are you offering that will improve this life? It is stimulating and satisfying, and filled with love and beauty. I hope that my life can remain as it is for as long as possible.

If you'd like to know more about finding the same satisfaction, feel free to ask. Much of the secret is to not want more than you need, and to know what brings happiness and what does not.

Fine, but just to remind you, your life is heading for an end.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I have no need of that hypothesis. I see a godless reality.

Fine, but it is not a godless reality, only your present belief..

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What about electrons did you want to know?

I'll bet that science knows more about electrons than typical non-scientists can understand. Do you know what spin is? Wave-particle duality? A fermion? A lepton? The photoelectric effect and its significance to quantum theory? Position-momentum uncertainty? Time-energy unceratainty.

How about quantum entanglement or atomic orbitals.

If you know none of that, your objections based on unknowing speak to you, not science.

And what does what we don't know yet have to do with anything? Are you alluding to gods? Is this a god-of-the-gaps argument - "you don't know such-and-such, therefore a god did it."?

You are waffling...you did not answer the question!

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sorry, but as Hitchens noted, " What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

Gods add nothing to our understanding. Even if some existed, knowing that would not be useful, either. How could we use the information were it true that six creator gods, three now dead, anonymously created our universe, then left it? What would we do with that? Throw a funeral for the dead ones?

The evidence is that reality exists, or are you claiming nothing exists? ...

 

[Cephus]

Child...

Imaginary friend. Adults outgrow them. What's your excuse?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Imaginary friend. Adults outgrow them. What's your excuse?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

The evidence is that reality exists, or are you claiming nothing exists? ...

Great question. No.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Great question. No.

No, that reality does not exist, or no, that nothing does not exist? ...