A Citizen’s Bill of Responsibilities

[Twilight Hue]

So being a responsible adult is marxist and you prefer people to be irresponsible and act like 2 year old spoiled brats and throw temper tantrums if they don't get their way?

Yes.

 

[Yerda]

Marx would be proud. That sounds great!

Wait, have you ever read anything Marx wrote?

 

[Kooky]

So being a responsible adult is marxist and you prefer people to be irresponsible and act like 2 year old spoiled brats and throw temper tantrums if they don't get their way?

I mean, that much should be obvious.

 

[Kooky]

'Tis a fact. We didn't shower every day until Palmolive started telling people to, despite there being no physiological reason or benefit to shower daily and it actually being bad for the skin.

As a rule, people generally shouldn't be listening to private companies with a profit motive.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As a rule, people generally shouldn't be listening to private companies with a profit motive.

As a rule, people should evaluate claims and fact check regardless.
And as a rule, if the company who makes your car issues a recall you should definitely be listening to that, despite the profit motive, because it generally means a defect has been found. Or any company, really. If a for-profit tells me not to eat something of theirs because it was found to be contaminated I'll just take their word for it and discard any of the item in question I may have.
And even non-profits can give terrible and even potentially dangerous advice.
Best to not get too caught up in for or not for profit.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Wait, have you ever read anything Marx wrote?

I can point to several of his critics here who haven't.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

I can point to several of his critics here who haven't.

Growing up in the 1970s in Central Illannoying, I was surprised (although experience has shown that I should not be, current case in point) that: 1) the John Birchers and other opponents of communism that I encountered and interacted with had never read anything by any Communist (or any other philosopher that I could identify...not even the capitalist ones), although they had a long and ever-growing list they attributed to Joe Stalin's propaganda publications (none of which, as far as I was ever able to discover, were ever uttered or otherwise came from any communists, much less Stalin, Lenin, Marx, etc.); and 2) that none of the people I knew who claimed to be Marxists/Communists had ever read anything by Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, etc.

 

[Wu Wei]

In posting in another thread, I thought of a citizen's responsibilities that balance someone's rights. I found this page in what to me is an odd web site A Citizen’s Bill of Responsibilities

Maybe others have an opinion on the balance and lack thereof in various countries and political parties today.

The (Boy Scouts) Citizenship manual explained that “citizen” was another word for “member,” that every young man was a member of a town, a state, and the nation, and that membership in these bodies, just like membership in any other organization, was a two-way street — it came with both benefits and duties.

4. The right to enjoy natural resources./The responsibility to preserve and conserve public parks and lands.

5. The right to welfare assistance./The responsibility to be as self-supporting as possible.

6. The right to use public libraries, roads, transportation, parks, police/fire services, etc./The responsibility to pay the taxes which support such services.

7. The right to free speech and protest./The responsibility to offer informed opinions and constructive criticism, and to uphold the free speech of others.

8. The right to equality under the law./The responsibility to stand for the equal rights and opportunities of others.

“A good citizen has a ‘Bill of Responsibilities’ to live up to as well as a Bill of Rights to live under.”

Democracy is thus a two-way partnership: citizens receive certain rights, services, and protections from the government, and in turn offer their money, time, knowledge, and commitment towards maintaining these privileges. Individual rights must always be matched with individual responsibilities; one cannot hope to have a healthy democracy if citizens are solely focused on what they can get, to the exclusion of what they can give.

1. The right to a fair trial./The responsibility to serve willingly on a jury when called.

...When these kinds of engaged citizens try to duck their duty, jury pools are left only with those who aren’t “clever” enough to find an out, the unemployed, and the retired. This hardly makes for a jury of one’s peers.

Were you to be accused of a crime, you’d want a diverse, savvy jury hearing your case; give other people the same privilege by willingly serving when called to do so.

2. The right to free (and/or government supported) schooling./The responsibility to take full advantage of one’s education.

While we often think we have the right to goof off in school, that it only affects ourselves, if you’re attending a publicly funded institution or using publicly funded loans to finance your education, you’re goofing off on someone else’s dime. Factory workers and doctors, teachers and firefighters, are laboring 40-80 hours a week, and giving up chunks of their paychecks so you can play Fallout 4 and flunk your biology class.

If you’re a student, make good on your fellow citizens’ investment in you, by taking full advantage of your education and equipping yourself to leave school able to strengthen your community and country.

4. The right to enjoy natural resources./The responsibility to preserve and conserve public parks and lands.

Our national parks are some of our greatest treasures, and our local parks some of our most appreciated retreats. Government provides access to these wild and bucolic preserves; citizens are charged with following “leave no trace” principles, practicing fire safety, and keeping them clean and pristine.

5. The right to welfare assistance./The responsibility to be as self-supporting as possible.
The government’s aid programs are designed to help those who have no other options for assistance — as a safety net when all else fails. Citizens have the responsibility of only availing themselves of such programs out of true and honest need, and making a best faith effort to decrease the chances of falling into that fix: working when possible, exercising financial prudence, and maintaining healthy habits. No one is ever entirely self-sufficient, but striving towards that goal ensures that welfare goes to those who really need it, lightens the burden on the system, and frees funds to be put towards other important projects, thus strengthening the nation.

6. The right to use public libraries, roads, transportation, parks, police/fire services, etc./The responsibility to pay the taxes which support such services.
Nobody likes paying taxes. But nearly all of us like to drive all over town and across the country on paved roads, eat non-contaminated food, and read reams of books for free. Nearly all of us want to know that the police and fire department would come to our aid in an emergency. All of these services, and many more, rely on tax money to exist. If you take from the pot, you also have to put into it.

7. The right to free speech and protest./The responsibility to offer informed opinions and constructive criticism, and to uphold the free speech of others.

...the right to speak freely comes with the responsibility to listen earnestly. It requires, as the Citizenship manual puts it, “keeping an open mind, trying to understand [others’] viewpoints, considering the minority opinion on a question and cooperating with the majority opinion, once it is accepted.”

8. The right to equality under the law./The responsibility to stand for the equal rights and opportunities of others.

9. The right to bear arms./The responsibility to train yourself in the safe and effective use of your firearm.

11. The right to publish anything short of sedition and slander./The responsibility to vet and examine published information.

12. The right to happiness./The responsibility to contribute to that happiness by living virtuously.

Don't disagree with any of this, but have some concerns.

# 5. Yes, but that paragraph appears to be highly dependent on the honesty of the person who applying for welfare.
# 11 seems contrary to #7. And who decides what is sedition and slander and who is responsible for vetting and examining public information
# 12, define happiness.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Growing up in the 1970s in Central Illannoying, I was surprised (although experience has shown that I should not be, current case in point) that: 1) the John Birchers and other opponents of communism that I encountered and interacted with had never read anything by any Communist (or any other philosopher that I could identify...not even the capitalist ones), although they had a long and ever-growing list they attributed to Joe Stalin's propaganda publications (none of which, as far as I was ever able to discover, were ever uttered or otherwise came from any communists, much less Stalin, Lenin, Marx, etc.); and 2) that none of the people I knew who claimed to be Marxists/Communists had ever read anything by Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, etc.

Seems to be the way it goes. To the extend it seems very few are aware the Lenin himself stated Marx wasn't that big on influence on him. Nor are they aware that classic Marxism, in full fruition, is an anarchist state.

 

[Ponder This]

citizens receive certain rights, services, and protections from the government

The people do not receive their rights from the government.
The government receives its power from the people it governs.
People are citizens - not slaves.