KW
Well-Known Member
Why not?
Do you think a person should claim to speak for one group while contradicting what that group believes?
It doesn't have to be a religious issue, it's just a matter of honest dialogue.
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Why not?
Do you think a person should claim to speak for one group while contradicting what that group believes?
It doesn't have to be a religious issue, it's just a matter of honest dialogue.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, you never have heard of "Pro-life Catholics"? Well, you have one here.
Oh, you mean like Trump did when he first banned all Muslims from coming in, only changing to Obama's restriction on 7 countries after he was told it would be declared unconstitutional?
The Catholic Church is not the Gestapo.
KW
Well-Known Member
Wrong.
It is simple. The Catholic Church opposes abortion and always has because it is murder of the an innocent person.
There is no shift.
KW
Well-Known Member
The only kind of Catholics are pro life Catholics.
Trump didn't ban all Muslims. More lies from the left. You need to get better sources of information.
The point is that from an ethical basis you shouldn't claim to speak for a group when you are publicly opposed to their teachings.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Very true, especially since a member of congress and the president represents his/her constituency, thus not just themselves.
But what I find so utterly disingenuous is that so many in the "religious right" use abortion as a "wedge issue" as if it were the only pro-life issue.
In discussions, a Catholic poster here virtually goes against the Catechism that states that capital punishment in today's day & age is immoral because there are less lethal options. Should he be driven out of the Church [rhetorical]?
KW
Well-Known Member
The Catholic Church has always been against abortion.
Are you claiming otherwise?
KW
Well-Known Member
From the Catechism:
2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person – among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.
2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's not private either imo.
There is no owner aside from public shareholders which should be subservient to constutional protection. Dunno how that goes in UK though.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Then why are you not opposed against capital punishment per the Catechism?
No, that we can attribute to you: Donald Trump: Ban all Muslim travel to U.S. | CNN Politics
Now, do you have the basic morals and decency to apologize for your accusation? We'll see, I guess.
When I teach Catholicism, I teach what the Church teaches, thus not my opinion.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
KW
Well-Known Member
Canon 751: "Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Could you rephrase that?
KW
Well-Known Member
I don't support capitol punishment.
CNN politics? I just told you you need to get better sources.
There is nothing immoral, unCatholic, or unChristian about banning travel from nations that have a high population of terrorists.
I hope you never teach Catholicism. You are a heretic by the definition in the Catechism.
You are speaking for Catholicism here by claiming to be a Catholic on your banner.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Take 2:
Abortion and Catholic thought. The little-known history - PubMed
That was how I was taught it. But there is no way to decide it, because we believe different about which claims to believe.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And that's what I follow. But you pick and choose on the pro-life issues such as with capital punishment, which you still support. So "Physician, heal thyself".
An excellent Catholic book on this is "May Your {Informed} Conscience Be Your Guide", and the main point in the book is that one should follow what their conscience tells them but only after listening to what the Church teaches. And then if still in doubt, one should go with the Church on such matters.
But let me again repeat that your position is absolutely hypocritical as you have stated here that you will not go with what the Church teaches on capital punishment and even with the Pope's encyclical on climate change "Landato Si".
KW
Well-Known Member
The Catechism is official Catholic Doctrine.
Other opinions are just private opinions.
KW
Well-Known Member
I accept all that the Church teaches.
Democrats directly oppose Catholic teaching by supporting abortion, socialism, homosexual activities and by opposing the free expression of religious beliefs.