A "Deep" Question

[sandy whitelinger]

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Next all of a sudden there is a deep and water. Was that part of heaven or earth or both?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Next all of a sudden there is a deep and water. Was that part of heaven or earth or both?

תהום : abyss; primaeval ocean, deep, in Heb. cosmology -- ּThe Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon

 

[sandy whitelinger]

תהום : abyss; primaeval ocean, deep, in Heb. cosmology -- ּThe Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon

Thank you. Where was it is located is what I'm asking though. Please pay attention.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Next all of a sudden there is a deep and water. Was that part of heaven or earth or both?

Are you sure about the “next?” It’s not in the text.

I see how it’s a reasonable inference to interpret the verses as chronological steps (“Step 1: God created the Heaven and the Earth. Step 2: there was darkness over an abyss...”), but there are other ways to interpret it.

One way that makes sense for me is to infer a comma between verses 1 and 2 (effectively: “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth and here’s how he did it...”).

I think my interpretation fits the text better, since verse 6 describes the creation and naming of Heaven; I assume you don’t think that Heaven was created twice.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Are you sure about the “next?” It’s not in the text.

I see how it’s a reasonable inference to interpret the verses as chronological steps (“Step 1: God created the Heaven and the Earth. Step 2: there was darkness over an abyss...”), but there are other ways to interpret it.

One way that makes sense for me is to infer a comma between verses 1 and 2 (effectively: “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth and here’s how he did it...”).

I think my interpretation fits the text better, since verse 6 describes the creation and naming of Heaven; I assume you don’t think that Heaven was created twice.

ok, suppose that 1:1 is an introduction. Now let's start the story in verse 2. Um, they seemed to skip the creation of earth.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Thank you. Where was it is located is what I'm asking though. Please pay attention.

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[sandy whitelinger]

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Thank you.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

ok, suppose that 1: is an introduction. Now let's start the story in verse 2. Um, they seemed to skip the creation of earth.

Verses 9 and 10 describe the creation and naming of the earth.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

There are billions of years between verse 1 and verse 2.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There are billions of years between verse 1 and verse 2.

What makes you say that? What in the text remotely suggests this?

Seems like you’re taking @sandy whitelinger ’s assumption and adding on another boatload of assumptions.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Verses 9 and 10 describe the creation and naming of the earth.

So, in the beginning there was only the deep. Oh, and God.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

There are billions of years between verse 1 and verse 2.

Doesn't address the op.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

What makes you say that? What in the text remotely suggests this?

Seems like you’re taking @sandy whitelinger ’s assumption and adding on another boatload of assumptions.

Surely you can't use assumptions to prove an assumption.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So, in the beginning there was only the deep. Oh, and God.

And an abyss of water that had a surface somehow.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Next all of a sudden there is a deep and water. Was that part of heaven or earth or both?

There are billions of years between verse 1 and verse 2.

Doesn't address the op.

Why doesn't it?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

And an abyss of water that had a surface somehow.

And in your scenario did these waters already exist at the beginning of the story? If not there seems to be no mention of it a appearance.
The formless and void earth of verse 2, when did that appear?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Why doesn't it?

I'm asking about the deep.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

What makes you say that? What in the text remotely suggests this?

Seems like you’re taking @sandy whitelinger ’s assumption and adding on another boatload of assumptions.

Because, the Bible starts with a new creation of Adam and Eve, they have children who build cities and farm and the timeline is around 6,000 years ago. Then you have men, women and dinosaurs that are dated billions of years old.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Why doesn't it?

I'm questioning when the deep was formed and its location in the narrative. How does giving a presumed age help?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Because, the Bible starts with a new creation of Adam and Eve, they have children who build cities and farm and the timeline is around 6,000 years ago. Then you have men, women and dinosaurs that are dated billions of years old.

So, are you suggesting the narrative started 6000 years ago?