A Defeated Trump's National Rally

[Jayhawker Soule]

No, I'm not talking about another super-spreader event, although I seriously doubt that we've seen the last of these.

I'm talking about this National Rally -- a political movement repurposed for American soil, with Donald serving as the analog off Jean-Marie Le Pen and his kids serving as some vulgar cross between Marion Anne Perrine "Marine" Le Pen and David Duke. My point being this: while I hope and suspect that the Trump regime will suffer notable defeats this November, I have no illusion that this vulgar blight on civilization will simply go away.

Voting is only the first step. It may not be the most important one.

 

[Secret Chief]

Symptom, not the cause.

 

[pearl]

Pa. Republicans want to create and control an ‘election integrity’ panel with subpoena power | Spotlight PA

Trump warned 'bad things happening in Philadelphia'. How many Republican legislatures in must win states are planning much the same?

Voting is only the first step. It may not be the most important one.

Such a simple step has now become a significant hurdle.

 

[Mindmaster]

Voting is only the first step. It may not be the most important one.

Ok, Nostradamus. I kid, but what's going to change is people stop buying into this apocalyptic view of a world revolving around Democraps and Republicants. I'm sick of it, are you?

First of all, politics isn't this important. Sure, it's nice to get someone in that speaks your heart in some way, but fact remains government moves slowly and most politicians have the time to get about one thing accomplished during their term. This doesn't equate to catastrophic shifts either way. Secondly, that presumes the next guy in line doesn't get in and just back out everything the other guy did.

The most vehemently loyal of both parties are completely despicable people... All they do is hate, lie, and justify any inappropriate behavior towards anyone who happens to have voted for the other party. Are you sick of that? Is that what we want to be... I'm tired of it. I don't care if someone wants to vote one way or another I refuse to treat anyone crappy because of that. Maybe they don't see things the way I do, but they're not garbage. I was on twitter and literally people are having wet dreams about Trump's death from COVID. We need to be better than this -- I don't want _anyone_ to die to COVID. I don't like several people in politics like Pelosi or Schumer and any of them getting COVID would be a dangerous scenario -- I still don't want them to die.

As a tyrannical dictator, Trump fails on most counts (let's be real here). I personally think he should have told the Governor's to stuff it re: riots, pulled insurrection act, and just got in there. Just their presence would have stopped the problems even if not a single shot were fired. The human cost of what these people were doing was too high. But, for the supposed 'activists' this was just an opportunity to hit the locals while they were down from the lockdown restrictions. I don't value them, I don't care what their message is, they're just ABSOLUTELY wrong.

As far as telegraphing your subtext of 'violence being acceptable'... I realize some of you people are going to ride the bus right off the cliff and you'll have to die with the old mode of thinking. Humanity is moving past you and there is a higher vibe on the other side of the gate - you can change and suck it in, or go down in flames... Your call -- it's your life to throw away. But, no one cares that you're so zealous you can't see the forest for the trees... They're not going with you, lol. Right now, all they're thinking of these incitements is: "What the hell is wrong with you people?"

So, keep bleating about how terrible Trump is, but all that's being is shown is how crazy the extreme left and right are. You can have your apocalypse and whack each other off if you want the rest of us will still be here chilling, lol.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

As far as telegraphing your subtext of 'violence being acceptable'... I realize some of you people are going to ride the bus right off the cliff and you'll have to die with the old mode of thinking.

What imbecilic nonsense is this. I have been part of the non-violent social justice movement since 1962.

Claims that I am articulating a subtext of violence is baseless, incendiary, and wholly unacceptible.

 

[Mindmaster]

What imbecilic nonsense is this. I have been part of the non-violent social justice movement since 1962.

Claims that I am articulating a subtext of violence is baseless, incendiary, and wholly unacceptible.

Really, well what does, "Voting is only the first step. It may not be the most important one.", typically imply?

Social justice is fine with violence they just look away from it when it doesn't suit their agenda or do it when people aren't looking. I mean, I guess that's slightly better than always looking away like the Republicans do, lol. (exception Trump... I don't think he's a Republican)

 

[tytlyf]

They'll be defeating at the polls overwhelmingly. Then they'll get angry, paranoid and violent. Next, they'll get embarrassed. Finally they'll crawl back under their rocks from whence they came 4 years ago.

 

[Mindmaster]

They'll be defeating at the polls overwhelmingly. Then they'll get angry, paranoid and violent. Next, they'll get embarrassed. Finally they'll crawl back under their rocks from whence they came 4 years ago.

Biden has as much chance as Hillary, and the polling numbers look nearly the same, lol.

People truly underestimate the effect of the rioting protesting on the normal Dem drone voter. They're sick of it and their people (who they voted in) are doing nothing about it or enabling the turmoil. They're not going to forget that at the ballot box, and I hear dye-in-the-wool Dems from my metro area in total revolt against the Dems because they're sick of it. So, I don't know where you get your news but I speak to a lot of people through the day as a course of my work and they're all *****ing about Dems... My state is blue as you can get... I can only imagine how it is in the battlegrounds...

 

[fantome profane]

They'll be defeating at the polls overwhelmingly. Then they'll get angry, paranoid and violent. Next, they'll get embarrassed. Finally they'll crawl back under their rocks from whence they came 4 years ago.

Which is why I wish Trump a quick and complete recovery. If he dies from COVID he will never be defeated, his supporters will always believe he would have won.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Really, well what does, "Voting is only the first step. It may not be the most important one.", typically imply?

I don't know what it "typically" implies to you, but folks (unlike you) who have been active fighting for social justice even in the absence of a Presidential campaign realize that there is an enormous amount of political work to be done, and any number of outstanding organizations pursuing that work. We also know that Trump is a symptom, and voting out that sick aberration so that we can "return to normal" simply re-establishes the same white privileged norm that allowed Trump in the first place.

Think before you irresponsibly claim that someone is advocating political violence!

 

[tytlyf]

Biden has as much chance as Hillary, and the polling numbers look nearly the same, lol.

Hillary got 3 million more votes and you said she was the worst candidate ever. So by default, Biden is better. I expect 10+ million win for Biden. The polls are much darker for Trump in 2020. Sorry, stop letting RW media do your thinking.

People truly underestimate the effect of the rioting protesting on the normal Dem drone voter.

You have a paranoid mindset. And you fall for emotional trickery. Did Trump tell you that? Like everything else, it's a lie.

 

[metis]

Pa. Republicans want to create and control an ‘election integrity’ panel with subpoena power | Spotlight PA

Trump warned 'bad things happening in Philadelphia'. How many Republican legislatures in must win states are planning much the same?

Whatever happened to the Republican Party being the "Party of Law & Order"? We've seen 22 Republican controlled states pass voter-suppression laws, many overturned by the courts, and now the governor of Texas has limited ballot boxes to only 1 per county, and in Harris County alone there are over 7 million people.

We used to go by the old English adage "It's not whether you win or lose but how you play the game", but now it's more "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser" [Vince Lombardi's infamous quote].

 

[Mindmaster]

Think before you irresponsibly claim that someone is advocating political violence!

Birds of a feather really, you say 'tomato', etc & tsk.

There is no social justice ideological position that doesn't at least passively accept violence. I rest my case.

Whatever happened to the Republican Party being the "Party of Law & Order"? We've seen 22 Republican controlled states pass voter-suppression laws, many overturned by the courts, and now the governor of Texas has limited ballot boxes to only 1 per county, and in Harris County alone there are over 7 million people.

These states want to have a real vote count on election day. I'm not sure that is equivalent to voter suppression. Though I find it a rather humorous solution to the Dem's beloved ballot stuffing shenanigans.

 

[tytlyf]

Whatever happened to the Republican Party being the "Party of Law & Order"?

That was just a way to fool the voting bloc. They never meant it.
Here's proof. Lot's more "Law and Order" beyond this as well.

KEY FACTS
Steve Bannon’s indictment, which claims that he, along with three others, defrauded hundreds of thousands of donors to the “We Build the Wall” fundraising scheme for personal profit, makes him the third and final campaign manager involved in Trump’s 2016 election to have faced criminal charges.

Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s campaign head starting from January 2015, was arrested on misdemeanor battery charges for grabbing the arm of Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields in March 2016, whose allegations, though proven by video footage, were later dropped.

Lewandowski’s charges were dwarfed by those against successor Paul Manafort, who was sentenced to more than seven years in prison in 2019 for a slew of charges from Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian election interference, including tax and bank fraud, and conspiracy against the United States.

The Mueller probe resulted in 100 charges against 34 people, six of whom were Trump associates, while the other 25 were Russians accused of interference.

Rick Gates, a Trump campaign deputy, was sentenced to 45 days in jail on a plea bargain for charges of conspiracy against the U.S. and making false statements; Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security advisor, pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, though his case is currently in limbo as the Department of Justice is attempting to withdraw his charge; and George Papadopoulos, Trump’s former foreign policy advisor, was sentenced to 14 days in prison with a year of supervised release, for lying to FBI agents about his contacts with Russian intermediaries during the 2016 campaign.

Michael Cohen, Trump’s former personal lawyer, was sent to prison in 2018 for tax evasion, fraud and lying to Congress about his dealings with Russia on behalf of the president, and has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations for making hush money payments to women to keep quiet allegations Trump engaged in extramarital affairs.

Trump recently commuted the prison sentence of longtime advisor Roger Stone, who was also convicted on seven charges, including lying to Congress and witness tampering, as part of Mueller’s investigation.

Then, there’s a number of slightly less central, but still Trump-connected figures who have been charged or jailed: Alex van der Zwaan and Konstantin Kilimnik, associates of Manafort and Gates who were charged with making false statements and conspiracy to obstruct justice, Sam Patten, a lobbyist who pleaded guilty to illegally funneling foreign money into Trump’s inaugural committee, and two associates of Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal attorney, who were charged with campaign-finance violations.

Bannon Joins Long List Of Trump Associates Who Have Been Charged Or Imprisoned

 

[tytlyf]

the Dem's beloved ballot stuffing shenanigans.

That's quite a claim, surely you have proof?

Judge Judy taught me that if something doesn't make sense it's probably not true.

 

[pearl]

We used to go by the old English adage "It's not whether you win or lose but how you play the game", but now it's more "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser" [Vince Lombardi's infamous quote].

I wonder in politics if it ever was 'how you play the game'. There is so much that would have to be exorcized that enables both parties ignore the voters. One is the dreadful practice of gerrymandering and the Court was no help.
In the end, the Supreme Court decided, 5-4, that "the question of partisan gerrymandering was a political one that must be resolved by the elected branches of government, and not a legal question that the federal courts should decide." So we can see where that's going.

 

[metis]

These states want to have a real vote count on election day. I'm not sure that is equivalent to voter suppression.

This is not what I was referring to as these became laws mostly in the years 2017 and 2018 whereas the Pubs controlled both houses and the presidency.

 

[metis]

Though I find it a rather humorous solution to the Dem's beloved ballot stuffing shenanigans.

Evidence with link(s)?

 

[ecco]

People truly underestimate the effect of the rioting protesting ... I hear dye-in-the-wool Dems from my metro area in total revolt against the Dems because they're sick of it.

That nonsense is right out of the Fox/Britebart handbook.

I hear dye-in-the-wool Dems from my metro area in total revolt against the Dems because they're sick of it.

So, you speak to a lot of "dye-in-the-wool Dems" and they tell you they are sick of it. Uh huh.

Again, the only place this argument is being made is on Fox/Britebart. The same guys who still oppose wearing masks.

I can only imagine how it is in the battlegrounds...

Yes, you can imagine.

 

[metis]

I wonder in politics if it ever was 'how you play the game'. There is so much that would have to be exorcized that enables both parties ignore the voters. One is the dreadful practice of gerrymandering and the Court was no help.

Yes, both parties have been at fault and, as a matter of fact, supposedly the first gerrymandering was done by Dems in one state back around a half-century ago, although I can't remember which.

In the end, the Supreme Court decided, 5-4, that "the question of partisan gerrymandering was a political one that must be resolved by the elected branches of government, and not a legal question that the federal courts should decide." So we can see where that's going.

Here in Michigan, a law was passed that outlaws gerrymandering by having it that only basic geometric designs can be used thus not looking like an octopus on acid.