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A Deist who appreciates the Qur'an

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
I hope no one takes offense to this because last time I mentioned this to a Muslim it ended rather badly and for no good reason. :facepalm:

In case you do not know, I am an ex-Muslim and currently a deist. I like to express my religious views by quoting different scriptures I have read. I usually do this for the sake of confusion (no fitnah is in this post though) which amuses me and cures me of my boredom.
Now despite the varying titles I may use to express my religious views on god, I am at heart a deist. This essentially denotes I believe rationality, scientific scrutiny, metaphysical theorizing and perennialism are the most appropriate and only suitable ways to know about god. I may have theistical flavorings ranging from Hinduism and Islam but I am a deist nonetheless.

I enjoy reading the Quran oddly even though I am not a true Muslim and on top of that I am an apostate. My departure was not bitter nor did it stem from enmity. I just did not fully accept everything Islam had to offer and what was obligatory became discretionary over time. Despite all of this I still read the Qur'an and actually study it in canonical Arabic. The reason why I do so is simply because I find it more accurate in regards to the nature of god. I do not view it as divine but I view it as a study guide in regards to Perfect Monotheism. I myself am a monotheist so I have always held it in high esteem even though I will not fully agree with every ayah and surah in it.
 

StarryNightshade

Spiritually confused Jew
Premium Member
I myself for about a year was studying Buddhism. At first it was Tibetan, then Theravada and then I looked briefly into Zen. After about a year and a half, while I still adhere to the core philosophy of Buddhism, I don't religiously Identify with it anymore. For several reasons, but the biggest one being it doesn't resonate with me; emotionally or intellectually.

So I'm back on my spiritual journey. Like you with Islam, even though I no longer identify with Buddhism as a whole, I still enjoy the mantras, sutras, philosophy, etc. I don't think there is anything wrong with that as long as it continues to help you in whatever way it does.
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
I myself for about a year was studying Buddhism. At first it was Tibetan, then Theravada and then I looked briefly into Zen. After about a year and a half, while I still adhere to the core philosophy of Buddhism, I don't religiously Identify with it anymore. For several reasons, but the biggest one being it doesn't resonate with me; emotionally or intellectually.

So I'm back on my spiritual journey. Like you with Islam, even though I no longer identify with Buddhism as a whole, I still enjoy the mantras, sutras, philosophy, etc. I don't think there is anything wrong with that as long as it continues to help you in whatever way it does.

There are many things I do out of habit from having a Muslim and Hindu background. I myself have a weird habit of performing Salah which is Islamic obligatory prayer. I do leave out certain part at the end during tashahhud but it has just become habit. Perhaps a rather pointless or silly one. But it has never done me any harm.
Much like your spiritual journey as a deist my journey never ends. Since continues revelation is not found in the words of prophets but in the acquisition of logical understanding and scientific knowledge. No book is greater than the mind itself and no scripture is as holy as the untainted individual soul.
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
Oh my God! Deist, having hindu background and apostate too!! Definitely, this is going to turn really bad :sorry1:



No, not really! :D Welcome to Islam DIR
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
Oh my God! Deist, having hindu background and apostate too!! Definitely, this is going to turn really bad :sorry1:



No, not really! :D Welcome to Islam DIR

:sarcastic Well Sahar thanks for elevating my heart rate........oops I have just been informed by my cardiologist that I do not have one :eek:.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
How does the prayer work out? Do you take time to do it as in their fixed times or just do it whenever you want/feel like?

And do you do it like Muslims do with the whole Qur'an recitations and that.
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
How does the prayer work out? Do you take time to do it as in their fixed times or just do it whenever you want/feel like?

And do you do it like Muslims do with the whole Qur'an recitations and that.

I usually abide by the fixed times for Fajr and Isha often the Sunnah Witr. I do recite Suwar Al Fatiha and Ikhlas although I leave out Tashahhud and Assalatul Ibrahimiyah but I recite a dua at the end still.
I know doing this sounds stupid but understand that for me it is a habit and I really don't know any other way to pray to god also. So I have just learned to stick with what works and what I find logically necessary.
 

Monotheist 101

Well-Known Member
I usually abide by the fixed times for Fajr and Isha often the Sunnah Witr. I do recite Suwar Al Fatiha and Ikhlas although I leave out Tashahhud and Assalatul Ibrahimiyah but I recite a dua at the end still.
I know doing this sounds stupid but understand that for me it is a habit and I really don't know any other way to pray to god also. So I have just learned to stick with what works and what I find logically necessary.

I believe if you find insight in the Quran and pray the Islamic way by prostrating in front of your creator... The Allah I have learnt about will guide you to the truth (although Ive read of the Deist creator not intervening with his creation :()

I have come across a few of your posts on the forums.. surprisingly I can relate to most of the stuff you've been posting minus the deist belief...do you mind elaborating how you came to Islam..and exactly why you left? I have faith that an intelligent logical person like you will find God..
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
I believe if you find insight in the Quran and pray the Islamic way by prostrating in front of your creator... The Allah I have learnt about will guide you to the truth (although Ive read of the Deist creator not intervening with his creation :()

I have come across a few of your posts on the forums.. surprisingly I can relate to most of the stuff you've been posting minus the deist belief...do you mind elaborating how you came to Islam..and exactly why you left? I have faith that an intelligent logical person like you will find God..

Deists like myself of course do not believe in miracles or excessive interference from our creator. We also do not believe in God performs miracles for one individual. For me that is selfish and petty since it almost means that your life is so important that god must intervene in it. Any miracle if one ever happened could only be for the sake of mankind as a whole. I do however believe that god is a source of inspiration and happiness and worship does benefit this but that is about it. I also accept the Islamic perspective of mankind claiming that mankind is designed to worship its creator. Although e do not worship our creator we are still worshiping and giving adoration to something.

I came to Islam from Christianity. I was very fed up with Christian dogmatism and its lack of rationality in the nature of god. Far too many aspects of it deviated from its founding text Judaism and after study on Judaism I figured out why Jews dissacknowledged Christian theology. I did not want to leave the Abrahamic faith so I had 1 option left which was Islam and I chose it because of its simplicity and the fact that I found its basic theology about the nature of god highly rational. I am a monotheist and a pure one at that so I am no fan of polytheism. I am an inclusive monotheist so I find all names devoid of gender and evil proper names for one god but I find assigning division amongst god detrimental to having a god in the first place.

As for why I left Islam, well I can't be overly specific but it was for a whole load of reasons. Ranging from the concept of hell and the avid truth of perennialist philosophy. God expects mankind to obey his law yet creates a religion in one location and this happens to be the only of its kind. It seems that god has never sent messengers to other part of the earth with the exact same message. By having the concept of hell this makes god illogical since he would send people to hell who have never heard of his message despite the fact he could have raised a messenger amongst the people. Islam like any other religion accepts you to adopt another culture and in this case it is Arabic culture (which I happen to be a fan of so it doesn't bother me). One must pray in Arabic (I am studying Arabic so again this is no issue for me personally) and perform everything according to Arabic values which have been spiritualized. So it all came down to the fact that Islam is like every other religion in its creation and continuity. It starts off in 1 location then spreads and forces outside culture and influence which is brought into the religion. Scientific inaccuracies can be found in the Qur'an along with many other errors and illogical things such as superstitious wudhu which can be found within every culture and each claiming certain things as "unclean". I also do not believe in the concept of sin I may add which is a very long story :D

SO do understand that I don't hate Islam or the Qur'an. I do not hold the Qur'an as 'holy' but I do accept it as mostly truthful and inspiring. I definitely believe it is one of the finer books created in history and I often compare it to the Shiva Purana (very monotheistic Hindu scripture).
 
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Badran

Veteran Member
Premium Member
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Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
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Good thread. Thanks to all involved, im enjoying reading and learning from this
*subscribed and lurking*
 

dynavert2012

Active Member
As for why I left Islam, well I can't be overly specific but it was for a whole load of reasons. Ranging from the concept of hell and the avid truth of perennialist philosophy. God expects mankind to obey his law yet creates a religion in one location and this happens to be the only of its kind. It seems that god has never sent messengers to other part of the earth with the exact same message. By having the concept of hell this makes god illogical since he would send people to hell who have never heard of his message despite the fact he could have raised a messenger amongst the people. Islam like any other religion accepts you to adopt another culture and in this case it is Arabic culture (which I happen to be a fan of so it doesn't bother me). One must pray in Arabic (I am studying Arabic so again this is no issue for me personally) and perform everything according to Arabic values which have been spiritualized. So it all came down to the fact that Islam is like every other religion in its creation and continuity. It starts off in 1 location then spreads and forces outside culture and influence which is brought into the religion. Scientific inaccuracies can be found in the Qur'an along with many other errors and illogical things such as superstitious wudhu which can be found within every culture and each claiming certain things as "unclean". I also do not believe in the concept of sin I may add which is a very long story :D

nice to meet you dear, if i have the right to comment on this thread, i'd like to say that you had misunderstood many things, for example about that sending people to hell without receiving a message isn't true, nobody will be sent to the hell except if s/he receives the message clearly, Allah said "And never would We punish until We sent a messenger." so some people who lives in africa or amazon's forests as an example who never heard about Qurna or not receive any message will not be sent to the hell, this is not my own understanding to the verse it's all the umma's scholars, and the prophte said that they will be tested in the other life so you have no point on this

so be happy with that no one will be sent to the hell except if he received a clear message.

about that Islam is an Arabic culture, this is wrong concept, Islam came and changed completely the Arabic culture and made it fit Islam, i mean that the Arabic culture before Islam and Quran was too different and if you read about the story of Islam or watch a movie like the message it's known in the west you will discover this fact, and if you read the speech of Jafar ibn Abu Talib to the Negus when they forced to migrate to Ethipia you will find this, he said to him "O King, we were a people in a state of ignorance and immorality, worshipping idols and eating the flesh of dead animals, committing all sorts of abomination and shameful deeds, breaking the ties of kinship, treating guests badly, and the strong among us exploited the weak. We remained in this state until Allah sent us a Prophet, one of our own people, whose lineage, truthfulness, trustworthiness, and integrity were well-known to us.

He called us to worship Allah alone, and to renounce the stones and the idols which we and our ancestors used to worship besides Allah.

He commanded us to speak the truth, to honor our promises, to be kind to our relations, to be helpful to our neighbors, to cease all forbidden acts, to abstain from bloodshed, to avoid obscenities and false witness, and not to appropriate an orphan’s property nor slander chaste women.

He ordered us to worship Allah alone and not to associate anything with him, to uphold Salat, to give Zakaah, and fast in the month of Ramadan.

We believed in him and what he brought to us from Allah, and we follow him in what he has asked us to do and we keep away from what he forbade us from."
you can check the whole story here
Jafar ibn Abu Talib’s Speech to the Negus – Ilm Fruits

also the Arabic culture was to bury the new born girl alive and umar ibn khattab killed one of his new daughters before Islam, islam came and destroy this bad habit, also they didn't give women any right to inherit her father, brother, husband,... Islam came and gave her a fixed portion, so then how to say that Islam is an Arabic culture? no Islam modified the Arabic culture to be islamic

hope you got my point :)
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I myself for about a year was studying Buddhism. At first it was Tibetan, then Theravada and then I looked briefly into Zen. After about a year and a half, while I still adhere to the core philosophy of Buddhism, I don't religiously Identify with it anymore. For several reasons, but the biggest one being it doesn't resonate with me; emotionally or intellectually.

So I'm back on my spiritual journey. Like you with Islam, even though I no longer identify with Buddhism as a whole, I still enjoy the mantras, sutras, philosophy, etc. I don't think there is anything wrong with that as long as it continues to help you in whatever way it does.

I can understand your love for Buddha. After all he was a messenger prophet of the one true God who is All-Wise.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
There are many things I do out of habit from having a Muslim and Hindu background. I myself have a weird habit of performing Salah which is Islamic obligatory prayer. I do leave out certain part at the end during tashahhud but it has just become habit. Perhaps a rather pointless or silly one. But it has never done me any harm.
Much like your spiritual journey as a deist my journey never ends. Since continues revelation is not found in the words of prophets but in the acquisition of logical understanding and scientific knowledge. No book is greater than the mind itself and no scripture is as holy as the untainted individual soul.

I don't understand your sentence in the bold. The Word of Revelation on Muhammad as mentioned in Quran is continuous, in my opinion.
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
Peace be on you. Please allow me to say few words with reference to your opinions (given below in quotes). My humble responses will follow... Everyone has all the rights to have their opinions:

Deists like myself of course do not believe in miracles or excessive interference from our creator.

According to my Ahmadiyya Muslim understanding of Islam and Holy Quran, The Creator created things with process of Creation plus Guided Evolution at every stage. The Creator set in motion various laws of nature, some are hidden at a particluar time, but at latter times they are manifested under the decree of Creator.


""Not all laws are known to man. There are categories of laws working as if in different tiers and on separate plains. Sometimes they are known to man only on one plain and man’s sight is not able to penetrate beyond. As time goes on, man’s knowledge increases, so does the penetration and his capacity to observe such laws as hitherto remained unperceived. In another era of scientific progress, new discoveries throw more light on such laws which seem to work in groups. So, not only is their function better understood but also their interaction with other laws.""
Ref:The Sonship of Jesus Christ



We also do not believe in God performs miracles for one individual. For me that is selfish and petty since it almost means that your life is so important that god must intervene in it. Any miracle if one ever happened could only be for the sake of mankind as a whole. I do however believe that god is a source of inspiration and happiness and worship does benefit this but that is about it.

Ok. But miracles in Islam continue, as Islam claims, it is a everlasting religion from Ever-lasting Creator. In Islam, when one person follows Creator's commandments, blessings are granted in the form of blessing and safety.....We observe in this world, dear ones are specially treated.



I also accept the Islamic perspective of mankind claiming that mankind is designed to worship its creator. Although e do not worship our creator we are still worshiping and giving adoration to something.

Worship in Islam truely means that it should make the faithful peaceful to all mankind, as the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) is said to be:
"And We have sent thee not but as a mercy for all peoples." [Holy Quran, Chapter 21: verse 108 , alislam.org/quran]



I came to Islam from Christianity. I was very fed up with Christian dogmatism and its lack of rationality in the nature of god. Far too many aspects of it deviated from its founding text Judaism and after study on Judaism I figured out why Jews dissacknowledged Christian theology.

All religions from The Creator, as I believe, had one essence: Believe in One God, live according to God's commadments, with peace to Creature of God and there will be Herafter for accountibilty. (Latter, weaknesses caused changes)......This essential message grew with evolution in details and perfected at Holy Quran.



I did not want to leave the Abrahamic faith so I had 1 option left which was Islam and I chose it because of its simplicity and the fact that I found its basic theology about the nature of god highly rational. I am a monotheist and a pure one at that so I am no fan of polytheism. I am an inclusive monotheist so I find all names devoid of gender and evil proper names for one god but I find assigning division amongst god detrimental to having a god in the first place.

Very definition of perect God requires it to be One Perfect God.



As for why I left Islam, well I can't be overly specific but it was for a whole load of reasons. Ranging from the concept of hell and the avid truth of perennialist philosophy.

= Every program has purpose and an end with accountibilty. Like instructions comes with products, Divine message come for the benefit of people themsleves. Those who understand and follow, get positive results in due course (Life) and in the End (Hereafter) and those who stay short, get spiritual treatment in 'general-hospital' called Hell. The Holy Quran says:

"But as for him whose scales are light -- Hell will be his (nursing) mother." [chapter101:verses 9-10]. The arabic word is used 'fa ummohu haviyah' i.e. Thus his mother will be the Hell.......This means, as fetus completes his time and comes out, people with weak spirituality shall be healed in Hell and will be out with full spiritual health. Allah says: "......My mercy encompases all things...." [ch7:v 157]

= Perennialist philosophy: Fudamental Truth is same. Is not it?
"Say, 'O People of the Book! come to a word equal between us and you -- that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partner with Him, and that some of us take not others for Lords beside Allah.' But if they turn away, then say, 'Bear witness that we have submitted to God.'[ch3:v65 alislam.org/quran]



God expects mankind to obey his law yet creates a religion in one location and this happens to be the only of its kind. It seems that god has never sent messengers to other part of the earth with the exact same message.

== Divine Message came to all places:
""To achieve the object of life, God, out of His benevolence raises prophets, who serve as models. These prophets have been appearing in every people and in all parts of the world. Their mission has always been to guide mankind to its Creator, through their example and model. The guidance revealed through each prophet was designed to cater for the specific needs of the time and location; hence they were essentially temporary in nature. With the advancement and maturity of mankind God sent advanced and matured teachings suitable to their time. God’s guidance for human race commenced through Adam (peace be upon him) and reached the zenith through Mohammed (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). God says,

“This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion.” (5:4)

Thus the revelation of Law, or Shariah, was perfected and completed by Islam.

According to one saying of the prophet Mohammed the number of prophets who were chosen to convey the message of God to mankind is 124,000. The names of all of them are not mentioned anywhere. However the Holy Quran states in very clear words,

“There are no people (in the world) to whom We have not sent a Warner.” (35:25)""
Ref:Prophets of God


==""The Concept of God among the Aborigines of Australia:
In all the tribes of Australia, without exception, there exists a belief in one Supreme Power, who is the first cause of all creation. Their descriptions differ on minor points and their terminology varies slightly, but according to the consensus of the sociologists and anthropologists, they all invariably believe in the existence of that ultimate first cause called 'High Gods'—another name for Allah, God, Brahmâ and Parmatama etc.""
Ref: The Concept of God among the Aborigines of Australia



By having the concept of hell this makes god illogical since he would send people to hell who have never heard of his message despite the fact he could have raised a messenger amongst the people.

"Allah burdens not any soul beyond its capacity. .............."[ch2:v287]




Islam like any other religion accepts you to adopt another culture and in this case it is Arabic culture (which I happen to be a fan of so it doesn't bother me).

Islam is universal:
"Say, 'O mankind! truly I am a Messenger to you all from Allah to Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth................"[ch7:v159]


CONTINUES...
 
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DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
IN CONTINUATION

One must pray in Arabic (I am studying Arabic so again this is no issue for me personally) and perform everything according to Arabic values which have been spiritualized.

Arabic is the mother of all languages. Arabic - the mother of all languages - Al Islam Online It is enriched in meanings. That is why the perfect Book Holy Quran is revealed in Arabic.

In this world everyone learns many new things. A child is not born with prior knowledge to drive a car; but many children in the world, when grow, do learn same way of driving. Likewise, learning to pray in best language is no big problem.
The Online Salät Guide: http://www.alislam.org/salaat/


""As far as the contents of the prayer go, they are of two types:

l. A formal routine recitation of verses of the Quran and other prayers which are done essentially in the language of the Quran, which is Arabic. All worshippers are expected to know the meaning of what they are reciting, otherwise they will deprive themselves of the immense benefit which they may draw from the meaningful recitation. It will make this discussion too lengthy if we were to go into the details of the contents, but such readers as are interested in further study can always consult the relevant literature.

2. To the second category belong the individual prayers in one's own language, in which one is free to beg as he pleases. This second category is controversial in the sense that many a school of jurisprudence disallow such practices and insist on the recitation of only the prescribed form, irrespective of whether the worshipper understands that or not. However, they do appreciate the need for private and personal prayers, so they suggest praying in one's own it language after the formal prayer has ended and not during its course. We, the Ahmadi Muslims, recommend and practice the former option of praying to God in one's own language as one pleases during the formal prayer.""
Ref: Spending




So it all came down to the fact that Islam is like every other religion in its creation and continuity. It starts off in 1 location then spreads and forces outside culture and influence which is brought into the religion.

Islam is uniquely preserved because God has promised for its safety since all necessry teaching has been brought into it.
""Verily, We Ourself have sent down this Exhortation, and most surely We will be its Guardian.""[ch15:v10 alislam.org/quran]

According to Allah's promise and news given by Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him), when Islam would be weak (on practice level) Allah would send Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.)'s subserviant to revive it. According to Ahmadiyya Muslims, the promised servant and ardent devotee of Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.) has come in 1889; now his fifth Successorship / fifth Holy Khalifah continues leading peaceful services in 202 countries wordwide -- No use of force, Only Prayers and peaceful services with message LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE. [Ref: alislam.org and mta.tv]



Scientific inaccuracies can be found in the Qur'an along with many other errors and illogical things such as superstitious wudhu which can be found within every culture and each claiming certain things as "unclean". I also do not believe in the concept of sin I may add which is a very long story ...

=== ""The Holy Quran directs attention towards science, time and again, rather than evoking prejudice against it. The Quran has never advised against studying science, lest the reader should become a non-believer; because it has no such fear or concern. The Holy Quran is not worried that if people will learn the laws of nature its spell will break. The Quran has not prevented people from science, rather it states, “Say, ‘Reflect on what is happening in the heavens and the earth.’” (Al Surah Yunus 10:102) By heavens is meant the study of astronomy and by earth is meant the study of geology, biology and archeology. If God considered that the result of such study will create prejudice and hatred against religion, the Holy Quran would have advised not to ever study these branches of knowledge. But in contrast to that it advises believers emphatically to study these sciences and investigate, as it knows that as the knowledge progresses in these fields, its truth will be testified. (This is exactly what is predicted in the second verse of Sura Saba, this is editor’s inclusion) The following verses of the Holy Quran also draw attention towards science:

“In the creation of the heavens and the earth and in the alternation of the night and the day there are indeed Signs for men of understanding; Those who remember Allah while standing, sitting, and lying on their sides, and ponder over the creation of the heavens and the earth: ‘Our Lord, Thou hast not created this in vain; nay, Holy art Thou; save us, then, from the punishment of the Fire.’” (Al Surah Ale-Imran 3:191-192)""
Ref:February 2010 eGazette – Islam and Science « Islam Ahmadiyya


=== Holy Quran is ahead of science. A Specific Prophecy of Holy Quran which Science is still working on is mentioned at http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...fic-prophecy-holy-quran-current-research.html


=== Wudu: Allah is Holy and Pure. When Muslims prepare for Prayer, they focus their attentions and clean themsleves. The Wudu / ablution has many medical benefits too.


=== If you search "Revelation Rationality Knowledge and Truth alislam org" you will find many interesting things there.

=== The best source of learning practical aspects of Islam in contemporary world, according to my understanding, are the live Friday sermons by Ahmadiyya Khalifah. They are about one hour long and broadcasted worlwide. Please search "Friday sermons Khalifah alislam.org". Last year he explained Islamic point of view of Justice and peace in Capitol Hill USA, European Parliament, German Military Headquarters. He wrote to several top world leaders to work for peace. All these addresses and letters are avialable. Ref: http://www.reviewofreligions.org/authors/mirza-masroor-ahmad/

In Short: Peace be on you and on everyone. Good wishes.
 
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Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
I can understand your love for Buddha. After all he was a messenger prophet of the one true God who is All-Wise.

You are aware Buddha never claimed prophethood right? His messages do not include god and are often viewed as anti-god if anything. He was a spiritualist which is a major significance from a person who accept a deity. The irony is that Buddha was deified himself
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I also accept the Islamic perspective of mankind claiming that mankind is designed to worship its creator.

I have noted following points in your above post which are given below along-with my reply as “paarsurrey”:

1. God expects mankind to obey his law yet creates a religion in one location and this happens to be the only of its kind.

Paarsurrey: Islam respects other revealed religions; but since the scriptures of other religions are not in the original form they were revealed on their messengers; so they need a fresh scripture (Revelation) that could rectify their mistakes; in whatever language it is revealed; in this sense Quran secures all revealed scriptures of the word whatever the religion and in whatever the locations they are.

There is no punishment to other nations if they did not receive the message of Quran; if it reaches them anyhow, which is in fact the message refreshed; and instead of accepting it they oppose it with enmity; then it is their fault because they deny the original message revealed on their own messenger originally.

Humans cannot punish anybody simply for not believing by a person; that will be decided by Allah in the hereafter with justice; He is the Master of the Day of Judgment.

2. It seems that god has never sent messengers to other part of the earth with the exact same message.

Paarsurrey: God sent messengers prophets to all nations of the world; Quran mentions it very clearly; accordingly Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus, Socrates were all truthful prophets messengers of the one true God.

3. he would send people to hell who have never heard of his message despite the fact he could have raised a messenger amongst the people
Paarsurrey: Already answered at # 1 above.

4. One must pray in Arabic

Paarsurrey: Along-with Arabic one can pray in one’s own language.

5. “wudhu” which can be found within every culture and each claiming certain things as "unclean"

Paarsurrey: Not exactly for being unclean; just to prepare oneself for the prayer one is going to offer; it helps to focus one’s attention in the prayer.

6. concept of sin

Paarsurrey: It is in every society; every society has some rules and regulation; one who does not follow them is considered to be a law-breaker or sinful. Even the secular society have rules and regulations.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
You are aware Buddha never claimed prophethood right? His messages do not include god and are often viewed as anti-god if anything. He was a spiritualist which is a major significance from a person who accept a deity. The irony is that Buddha was deified himself

It is only because Buddha's words have not reached us in the original words revealed. We get whatever was collected some five hundred years after him.

Like Jesus' Message was distorted by Christians or Krishna's message was distorted by Hindu followers the same happened with Buddha; one can make a comparison of Buddha, Jesus and Krishna; then it is easy to understand.
 
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