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A different legal system ?

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Criminal law and procedure in Scotland is different from that in the rest of the

Scottish Jurisprudence is different from the law in England. One of the main differences is the sentencing system.


In Scottish law, there are three possible verdicts, a)Not Guilty, b) Guilty, and c) Not proven
I have highlighted the main diffferences in the Scottish legal system, but the main focus of this thread is to think what Members think of the idea of the "Not Proven" verdict.


Extract only;
Criminal law and procedure in Scotland is different from that in the rest of theUnited Kingdom. The main distinction is that Scots criminal law is based principally on a common law tradition, whereas in many jurisdictions much of the criminal law is contained in statute. What this means in effect is that much of Scots criminal law relies for its authority on past decisions of the courts and on the writings of respected legal scholars​
rather than on Acts of Parliament.
COMMON LAW
One of the notable characteristics of Scots criminal law is that it is based on whatis known as ‘common law’. This means that the definitions of crimes and offences arise from precedent (successive decisions of the superior criminal courts) or from the writings of highly respected legal commentators known as the “institutional writers” whose views are recorded authoritative status by the courts, legal scholars and the legal profession. Scots criminal law, however, is not entirely dependent on common law. Scotland has developed a ‘mixed’ system of criminal law with an increasing number of crimes and offences appearing in the statute books. Some of these statutory crimes and offences are of considerable importance such as those relating to the use of illicit drugs. Many statutory offences are shared with England & Wales through UK wide legislation such as road traffic law and laws relating to issues such as environmental pollution. Nevertheless, many of the most serious crimes in Scotland, including murder,rape, robbery, assault and fraud as well as less serious crimes such as breach of the peace, are common law crimes.

Scots criminal law contrasts with the criminal law of many of the member states of the European Community and of most US states. In these countries, the criminal law is said to be ‘codified’. This means that the definitions of crimes and offences are set down in texts which are often referred to as ‘codes. It is not unusual for a country to have several codes to cover the whole of its law (a criminal code, a penal code, a civil code, a commercial law code and so on)​
. While Scots criminal law has never been codified, criminal procedure is largely contained in a single act of Parliament, the “Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995” and is thereby effectively codified. The debate over whether to codify the substantive criminal law in Scotland has engaged legal scholars and practitioners for many years. While draft criminal codes have been produced by academics in recent years, as yet the Scottish Executive has shown no inclination towards codification. Proponents of codification argue that this would create greater certainty in the criminal law while those against argue that the common law offers more flexibility by allowing, for example, judges to construe ‘old law’ in relation to new crimes and offences without the need for time consuming legislation.

Extract only;
Not proven is a verdict available to a court in Scotland. Under Scots law, juries deciding criminal trials have three verdicts which they may return: guilty, not guilty and not proven.Not proven is often referred to as the Scottish Verdict or the Scotch Verdict.

History

Under statute law there were historically two verdicts: guilty and not proven. At one point the facts in the case were evaluated and weighed up as as either "proven" or "not proven", with the latter was a statement by the court that the prosecution had presented insufficient evidence of proof and the person was then to be acquitted. A not proven verdict is the equivalent of not guilty in that it is an acquittal.

A jury in the 19th Century, rather than delivering the verdict as not proven, returned not guilty. Thus the three verdict system was born. Not guilty is a common law verdict.



Modern usage

In modern usage, the jury is stating the person was connected with the crime but there remains considerable doubt regarding the offender's innocence. The defendant is released without punishment or criminal record. It also provides protections from double jeopardy. The effect on public opinion can be quite different, however, as it suggests that the person is thought to be guilty but was released only because the prosecution had not gathered enough evidence. An example of this error can be found in nineteenth century Glasgow. Socialite Madeleine Smith is widely regarded as having been found guilty of murder. The case was not proven, but Smith is still popularly regarded as a convicted murderess.

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Double jeopardy (also called "autrefois acquit" meaning "already acquitted") is a procedural defense (and, in many countries such as the United States, Canada and India, a constitutional right) that forbids a defendant from being tried a second time for a crime, after having already been tried for the same crime. At common law a defendant can plead autrefois acquit or autrefois convict; meaning the defendant has been acquitted or convicted of the same offence previously.​
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Pt 2.




nsw.gov.au Criminal Appeal Amendment (Double JeopardyBill2003)​
Where the acquittal of a person for an offence operates as a bar to the trial ofthe person for a very serious offence that is a more aggravated form of the offence even though an alternative verdict for that offence was not available as an alternative verdict when the person was originally acquitted (for example, a person charged with the supply of a small quantity of a prohibited drug cannot be convicted of the supply of a large commercial quantity of the prohibited drug, but the acquittal on the charge of supplying a small quantity of the drug may prevent the person being subsequently charged with the supply of a large commercial quantity of the drug in respect of the supplyconcerned). The proposed Division extends to persons acquitted before the commencement of the proposed Act.

Proposed section 9B defines a​
very serious offence for the purposes of the proposed Division as murder, manslaughter and any other offence punishable by life imprisonment (namely, aggravated sexual assault in company and drug trafficking and related offences involving a large commercial quantity). Proposed section 9C authorises the Court of Criminal Appeal, on the application of the Director of Public Prosecutions, to order an acquitted person to be retried for a very serious offence. The Court may do so only if satisfied that:


(a) there appears to be fresh and compelling evidence against the acquitted person in relation to the offence, or
(b) the acquittal appears to be a tainted acquittal, and in all the circumstances it is in the interests of justice for the order to be made.
The Director of Public Prosecutions cannot make more than one application for a retrial in relation to an acquittal. Proposed section 9D provides that, for the purposes of an application for a retrial:​

(a) evidence is​
fresh if it was not adduced in the proceedings in which the person was acquitted and it could not have been adduced in those proceedings with the exercise of reasonable diligence, and


(b) evidence is​
compelling if:


(i) it is reliable, and​

(ii) it is substantial, and​

(iii) in the context of the issues in dispute in the proceedings in which the person was acquitted, it is highly probative of the case against the acquitted person.​

The definitions are similar to the definitions of new and compelling evidence in the UK Bill currently before the UK Parliament.



What do you all think ?


- Is there a place for a 'not proven' verdict in American/British Courts ?

- What effect would receiving such a verdict have on the accused ?

- Is it time to withdraw the safety of the double Jeopardy rule ?
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I like it Michel. I think it can still show that someone is not as squeaky clean as their defense would submit, but that the prosecution simply failed to prove.

Two good examples, I can think of that would have resulted in a "not proven" verdict would have been the OJ trial and the Michael Jackson trial.

What we have now is quilty or innocent. If the charges do not stick, one is innocent. I think having a "not proven" provision would give us a more realistic verdict. It is assumed that someone with a "not proven" verdict could not go on about how innocent they are.

I like it.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
YmirGF said:
I like it Michel. I think it can still show that someone is not as squeaky clean as their defense would submit, but that the prosecution simply failed to prove.

Two good examples, I can think of that would have resulted in a "not proven" verdict would have been the OJ trial and the Michael Jackson trial.

What we have now is quilty or innocent. If the charges do not stick, one is innocent. I think having a "not proven" provision would give us a more realistic verdict. It is assumed that someone with a "not proven" verdict could not go on about how innocent they are.

I like it.
As I was posting it, I was thinking of the Michael Jackson trial!:D What do you think of dispensing with the double jeopardy rule ?

There is an example of a murder that took place (if I remember rightly) 20 years ago; a murder. the accused was found not guilty, but since then, DNA evidence now shows he is guilty. Do away with the double jeopardy rule, and the guy can be retried, for the same crime.

But only ever no more than once more.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
The double jeopardy clause is tricky. If it eliminated one could be retried ad naseum until you were broke, bored to death or the prosecution finally got it right.

I DO think that in a case where a person admits to a crime they were found not guilty of, there should be a provision for re-trial. I saw something recently where a fellow walked into a police station in the states, confessed to killing a child 20 years before that he was found not quilty of.
The police took down notes and all the drill, and let him go. He simply cannot be re-tried even though he gave a lucid, rational confession. Sorta sucks. It was in Utah somewhere, methinks.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
michel said:
As I was posting it, I was thinking of the Michael Jackson trial!:D What do you think of dispensing with the double jeopardy rule ?

There is an example of a murder that took place (if I remember rightly) 20 years ago; a murder. the accused was found not guilty, but since then, DNA evidence now shows he is guilty. Do away with the double jeopardy rule, and the guy can be retried, for the same crime.

But only ever no more than once more.
Double-Jeopardy is an important concept. It makes it important to the prosecution to judge IF and WHEN to go to trial, because they get ONE shot at it.

A person who walks in and confesses would be frustrating for sure, but everything that SOB said could be taken down and passed on to the parents and family of the victim and, if he was worth anything, he could be financially RUINED in a civil "wrongful death" suit. Kind of like O. J. Simpson was.

It isn't good enough, but there is no reason not to do it.

Regards,
Scott
 
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