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"A Heap of Trouble." An Award Winning Short Movie
- Thread starter Skwim
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I suppose there could be different messages in play here. Not just the people's shock at public nudity, but the fact that two other men just couldn't resist the urge to tear off their clothes and go join them. Is that supposed to symbolize how peer pressure can cause people to go off and do something ridiculous? Also, is there any significance in that it's nine naked men as opposed to nine naked women walking down the road? In the past, there have been women staging nude protests or demonstrations which gets people's attention and people will want to listen to their message. But if men do that, then people go screaming and running for the hills, as if they've just seen Bigfoot.
Skwim
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Re. the movie.
I immediately took it to be a commentary on the human penchant to blindly cave to irrational, ill conceived fears; illustrated here by the puritanical disgust of the naked body. A disgust so terrible that it envisions such nudity as seducing people's minds and leading them to hell(?).
In other words: "Get real, people. Stop being so stupid."
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I immediately took it to be a commentary on the human penchant to blindly cave to irrational, ill conceived fears; illustrated here by the puritanical disgust of the naked body. A disgust so terrible that it envisions such nudity as seducing people's minds and leading them to hell(?).
In other words: "Get real, people. Stop being so stupid."
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DavidFirth
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Skwim, you trying to start a movement against wearing clothes? 
Skwim
Veteran Member
Absolutely: If we're to get to the bottom of society's ills we'll need full Disclotheser.Skwim, you trying to start a movement against wearing clothes?
Of course there is such a thing as going too far.
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They might have been less alarming had they not been marching abreast and singing about naked men.
Had they been quietly hiking in line along the sidewalk, not deliberately making a spectacle of themselves, perhaps nodding greetings to the locals, I think there would have been less alarm.
Had they been quietly hiking in line along the sidewalk, not deliberately making a spectacle of themselves, perhaps nodding greetings to the locals, I think there would have been less alarm.
Skwim
Veteran Member
But I think that would defeat the point. Deliberately drawing attention to themselves gives the town folk to something to be aghast about, which brings out their fear. And irrational, ill conceived fear is what the movie attempts to highlight.
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DavidFirth
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Men of a certain weight and higher should be required to wear clothes, though. Wouldn't you agree?
There's a reason that clothing was invented.Men of a certain weight and higher should be required to wear clothes, though. Wouldn't you agree?
It makes spare tires more tolerable.
Surreal to me, like a Monty Python clip. Reminds me of the concept of "ethnomethodology" in sociology, where IIRC people breach conventions in a staged manner. Leaving people nonplussed, then maybe somehow more aware of the original limits of the "definition of the situation".
Maybe the men represent the councils hidden aspect, like a projection of depth psychology - the id or something, an unconstrained aspect of self seen in phantasy made real. Unconstrained by the "superego" and social convention. Like suit wearers online, swearing and chatting about sex etc, the corporate image vanishes.
ethnomethodology - Bing
definition of the situation sociology - Bing
People ask "what does it mean" and that's part of the plan, sometimes conventional meanings and sense of order are challenged, because the "behavioural script" has been breached.
script psychology - Bing
Ethics wise it relates to learning as adaptive response: show this to a kid and they wont get it ie it won't seem that strange. A bit like in this music vid, what the child sees is to me strange, but in this day and age who knows what younger peoples "weirdness thresholds" are???
But peoples moral intuitions are challenged because the formation of conscience has adaptive value. Like Plato said IIRC, he respected the laws because they were a condition of his existence. A Shia teacher said something like, don't force your manners on children because they belong to a different era.
Maybe the men represent the councils hidden aspect, like a projection of depth psychology - the id or something, an unconstrained aspect of self seen in phantasy made real. Unconstrained by the "superego" and social convention. Like suit wearers online, swearing and chatting about sex etc, the corporate image vanishes.
ethnomethodology - Bing
definition of the situation sociology - Bing
People ask "what does it mean" and that's part of the plan, sometimes conventional meanings and sense of order are challenged, because the "behavioural script" has been breached.
script psychology - Bing
Ethics wise it relates to learning as adaptive response: show this to a kid and they wont get it ie it won't seem that strange. A bit like in this music vid, what the child sees is to me strange, but in this day and age who knows what younger peoples "weirdness thresholds" are???
But peoples moral intuitions are challenged because the formation of conscience has adaptive value. Like Plato said IIRC, he respected the laws because they were a condition of his existence. A Shia teacher said something like, don't force your manners on children because they belong to a different era.
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