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A Lesson Unlearned

DakotaGypsy

Active Member
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/international/middleeast/19abuse.html

March 19, 2006
Task Force 6-26
Before and After Abu Ghraib, a U.S. Unit Abused Detainees
By ERIC SCHMITT and CAROLYN MARSHALL
As the Iraqi insurgency intensified in early 2004, an elite Special Operations forces unit converted one of Saddam Hussein's former military bases near Baghdad into a top-secret detention center. There, American soldiers made one of the former Iraqi government's torture chambers into their own interrogation cell. They named it the Black Room.

In the windowless, jet-black garage-size room, some soldiers beat prisoners with rifle butts, yelled and spit in their faces and, in a nearby area, used detainees for target practice in a game of jailer paintball. Their intention was to extract information to help hunt down Iraq's most-wanted terrorist, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, according to Defense Department personnel who served with the unit or were briefed on its operations.

The Black Room was part of a temporary detention site at Camp Nama, the secret headquarters of a shadowy military unit known as Task Force 6-26. Located at Baghdad International Airport, the camp was the first stop for many insurgents on their way to the Abu Ghraib prison a few miles away.

Placards posted by soldiers at the detention area advised, "NO BLOOD, NO FOUL." The slogan, as one Defense Department official explained, reflected an adage adopted by Task Force 6-26: "If you don't make them bleed, they can't prosecute for it."

According to Pentagon specialists who worked with the unit, prisoners at Camp Nama often disappeared into a detention black hole, barred from access to lawyers or relatives, and confined for weeks without charges. "The reality is, there were no rules there," another Pentagon official said.

The story of detainee abuse in Iraq is a familiar one. But the following account of Task Force 6-26, based on documents and interviews with more than a dozen people, offers the first detailed description of how the military's most highly trained counterterrorism unit committed serious abuses.

It adds to the picture of harsh interrogation practices at American military prisons in Afghanistan and Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, as well as at secret Central Intelligence Agency detention centers around the world.

The new account reveals the extent to which the unit members mistreated prisoners months before and after the photographs of abuse from Abu Ghraib were made public in April 2004, and it helps belie the original Pentagon assertions that abuse was confined to a small number of rogue reservists at Abu Ghraib.

The abuses at Camp Nama continued despite warnings beginning in August 2003 from an Army investigator and American intelligence and law enforcement officials in Iraq. The C.I.A. was concerned enough to bar its personnel from Camp Nama that August.
It is difficult to compare the conditions at the camp with those at Abu Ghraib because so little is known about the secret compound, which was off limits even to the Red Cross. The abuses appeared to have been unsanctioned, but some of them seemed to have been well known throughout the camp.

For an elite unit with roughly 1,000 people at any given time, Task Force 6-26 seems to have had a large number of troops punished for detainee abuse. Since 2003, 34 task force members have been disciplined in some form for mistreating prisoners, and at least 11 members have been removed from the unit, according to new figures the Special Operations Command provided in response to questions from The New York Times. Five Army Rangers in the unit were convicted three months ago for kicking and punching three detainees in September 2005.

Some of the serious accusations against Task Force 6-26 have been reported over the past 16 months by news organizations including NBC, The Washington Post and The Times. Many details emerged in hundreds of pages of documents released under a Freedom of Information Act request by the American Civil Liberties Union. But taken together for the first time, the declassified documents and interviews with more than a dozen military and civilian Defense Department and other federal personnel provide the most detailed portrait yet of the secret camp and the inner workings of the clandestine unit.

The documents and interviews also reflect a culture clash between the free-wheeling military commandos and the more cautious Pentagon civilians working with them that escalated to a tense confrontation. At one point, one of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's top aides, Stephen A. Cambone, ordered a subordinate to "get to the bottom" of any misconduct.

Most of the people interviewed for this article were midlevel civilian and military Defense Department personnel who worked with Task Force 6-26 and said they witnessed abuses, or who were briefed on its operations over the past three years.
Many were initially reluctant to discuss Task Force 6-26 because its missions are classified. But when pressed repeatedly by reporters who contacted them, they agreed to speak about their experiences and observations out of what they said was anger and disgust over the unit's treatment of detainees and the failure of task force commanders to punish misconduct more aggressively. The critics said the harsh interrogations yielded little information to help capture insurgents or save American lives.

Virtually all of those who agreed to speak are career government employees, many with previous military service, and they were granted anonymity to encourage them to speak candidly without fear of retribution from the Pentagon. Many of their complaints are supported by declassified military documents and e-mail messages from F.B.I. agents who worked regularly with the task force in Iraq. . . .
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I'm deeply impressed with how effective these tactics have been in capturing al Zarqawi.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
DakotaGypsy said:
I have a lot of problems with a president who says "Jesus is my favorite philosopher" and countenances such things.

I can understand that; I really don't know what to say.
 

robtex

Veteran Member
Sunstone said:
I'm deeply impressed with how effective these tactics have been in capturing al Zarqawi.

That is what worries me too. I don't see results from things outlawed by the geneva convention but seemly practiced in multiple locations everyday. The more I read about the prision camps on different sites and many on here, the more I am being convinced that the soliders are not finding "terrorists" but Iraq citizens who live in a community of terrorists and torturing them.

It would be like if the FBI came to your neigborhood because it expected kkk terrorist activity and out of frusteration and not finding any guys with white hoods started abducting your neighbors and torturing them for informations. In Texas, I live in a KKK populated community. As a matter of fact two sheriffs were fired from the local county department last year for being involved with the KKK. But I personally don't know a single KKK person. I just know they have a chapter here locally.
 

robtex

Veteran Member
DakotaGypsy said:
I have a lot of problems with a president who says "Jesus is my favorite philosopher" and countenances such things.

If we are thinking of the same incident the qoute he was referring to was earlier in Bush's career. It was maybe a year before his first presidental run 1999 for the 2000 election which would have put it late 1998 or early 99. It might have even been earlier.

There was a live interview for republician nominees on a national tv show with a live audiance. The interviewer, being very creative, went around the room asking each politician who has favorite philosopher was. There was maybe 8 politicans there. I remember one guy saying John Locke, and others saying other names. When they got to Bush he said qoute, "Jesus Christ" Taken aback by the answer the interviewer asked why JC to which Bush replied qoute, "If I have to explain it to you you won't get it. " The crowed went wild with applause and many people stood-up clapping and yelling. I wish I could remember which station ran the clip and when it was but it was so long ago.

I was really uncomfortable with it due to absolute ignorance of the 2nd qoute, and the extreme emotional reaction to it that he got. DakotaGypsy, is that the incident you are referring to?
 

DakotaGypsy

Active Member
It might be, but Bush may have said it more than once.

Sorry I can't be more definite than that.

By the way, I once saw a photo op pic of Bush under a huge statue of Christ that was supposed to illustrate Bush's closeness with Jesus, but the unfortunate angle of the pic made Christ look as if he were about to hurl on Bush. That picture very quickly disappeared from the public purview.
 
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