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A Married Priesthood - Why not?

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
One of the more enduring aspects of the secular media and dinner-party dogmaticians is an inability to understand that there is a coherent reason for Catholic teachings. To a large extent this ignorance cannot be regarded as culpable, as Church authorities seem reluctant to explain the rationale behind authoritative teachings. One such teaching concerns the celibate priesthood and how it relates to the current vocations crisis. The need for such an explanation has become ever more acute in light of Pope Benedict XVI's generous new apostolic constitution, Anglicanorum Coetibus, which has provisions to allow already married Anglican clergymen to be ordained as Catholic priests.

The basis for the celibate priesthood is not doctrinal but concerns the difficulty of fulfilling the duties of three intermingled disciplines — that of the married state, that of the priestly vocation, and finally that of the individual priest. Let's examine these three aspects separately.

The concession permitted to groups such as doctors and clergymen that exempted them from jury service in Ireland was for most of the past century extended to married women, as it was felt that the rearing of a family was too important a task to be compromised by jury duty. In latter years, a group of human-rights activists identified this exemption as demeaning to women, completely misreading the intention of the legislators in an earlier — and, dare I say, more gracious — age. The same tendency is seen when the celibate priesthood is derided as demeaning of the married state. In reality the celibacy requirement is a recognition that the duties of marriage should not be compromised by the competing demands of the priesthood.

The Church has always taught that marriage is a noble vocation and that a married man's primary duty is to his wife and family, and that this discipline must not be in competition with others. It is significant that the Greek Orthodox Church recently expressed concern about the fact that its priests cannot find wives, as marriage to a priest is not regarded as a good prospect!

On the discipline of the priestly vocation, one can only say that marriage would expose the priest to an extra burden in that his duty to family could only compromise his vow of obedience. Essentially, this is the difficulty of serving two masters. Moving to a new post on the orders of his superior would be immensely complicated if the interests of a family had to be considered, and the faithful would have the extra burden of contributing to the support of the family as well as of the priest himself.

Another consideration — one that I have rarely heard mentioned — is the fact that every individual priest becomes a priest in answer to God's call. If we had a married priesthood, a priestly caste would develop, with young men following their fathers into the clergy.

Finally, there is the discipline of the individual person of the priest, a man who has made himself "a eunuch for the sake of the kingdom of heaven." Again, difficulty understanding this concept reflects the shallowness of modern society, which cannot comprehend the concepts of commitment or vocation, and therefore cannot understand the traditional status given to the paterfamilias — that to be a father is to be a man. If a proper status is given to fatherhood, there is a certain degree of awe accorded to one who voluntarily rejects this status for the sake of something as important as the priesthood. Despite his faults, the priest, be he pope or the humblest curate, has given up a status and a comfort in life — his right by his masculinity — for the sake of his calling.

Advocates of a married priesthood often argue that such an innovation would eliminate cases of clerical pedophilia and also the perceived shortage of vocations. Both these problems they regard as caused by celibacy, and some have suggested that Pope Benedict's recent welcome to Anglicans is an attempt at an end-run around these problems. But, in fact, they are more a consequence of modern society than something intrinsic to the Catholic Church.

Continued here:
Musings of a Pertinacious Papist: A Married Priesthood: Why Not?
 

Mister Emu

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Advocates of a married priesthood often argue that such an innovation would eliminate cases of clerical pedophilia and also the perceived shortage of vocations.
Neither of those is a good reason. Celibacy does not cause pedophilia and should married persons be unfit for priesthood a lack of vocations is no reason to allow them.

The main issue I have with a purely celibate priesthood is that there are people who have both vocations, marriage and priesthood. It is a difficult thing to do to demand someone choose between two paths they feel God's pull down, when they could, theoretically, travel both.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Neither of those is a good reason. Celibacy does not cause pedophilia and should married persons be unfit for priesthood a lack of vocations is no reason to allow them.

The main issue I have with a purely celibate priesthood is that there are people who have both vocations, marriage and priesthood. It is a difficult thing to do to demand someone choose between two paths they feel God's pull down, when they could, theoretically, travel both.
I can barely manage with one. :eek: Which is probably why getting both is more prone to working out in the east where the demographics work in their favor. I can't imagine our priest being married, it's just too much for one person. Some can be delegated downward but many can't.

To me, a good sign that it will just be too much is observing my old protestant church. There was a point where there was 8 elders and minister of this or minister of that; It was just crazy. It got to the point where I didn't see the pastor much anymore. How much more complicated in the Catholic Church?

I'm open to it, but I can see why Rome is hesistant to move an inch on it. In the big scope of things, it ends up hurting the flock IMO.
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
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I can barely manage with one.
It would certainly be difficult to manage both properly.

Which is probably why getting both is more prone to working out in the east where the demographics work in their favor.
Could you explain what you mean here?

To me, a good sign that it will just be too much is observing my old protestant church. There was a point where there was 8 elders and minister of this or minister of that; It was just crazy. It got to the point where I didn't see the pastor much anymore. How much more complicated in the Catholic Church?
Do you believe that that was based in his marriage?

There are a myriad of reasons for poor priesthood, and marriage would be/is certainly one, but I don't believe it necessitates it.

I'm open to it, but I can see why Rome is hesistant to move an inch on it. In the big scope of things, it ends up hurting the flock IMO.
I understand the hesitation, there definately are concerns. I also agree that there would be harm, there would be poor pastoral care from married priests. But, I think it would be an overall boon, and I believe it would is the right thing to do.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Could you explain what you mean here?
Small town, more a communal, cost of living is low, life is simpler in general.
Do you believe that that was based in his marriage?

There are a myriad of reasons for poor priesthood, and marriage would be/is certainly one, but I don't believe it necessitates it.
He would often hint that his priority was his family (as it should be) and how he couldn't commit to certain pastoral duties. I do agree that that it doesn't necessitates it though.
 

Master Vigil

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Coming from a man who has been fighting between the two vocations for most of my adult life... I can tell you that I would love to be a priest and married to my wife. But I know that it would only make both vocations suffer, and suffer to the point where I would eventually have to choose one or the other. I am in favor of the celibate priesthood.
 

TashaN

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Sorry to interrupt guys, but i always been curious, does the bible demand from those who wants to be Priests to not marry?

Another question which just popped up in my mind. Where does the bible mention Priesthood?


Thank you.
 
In Edward Gibbon's book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, if I remember correctly, he said the practice of not allowing priests to marry was attributable partly to the Western (Catholic) Church distancing itself from the Eastern (Orthodox) Church, which allows previously-married men to be ordained as priests.

This was one of many matters of doctrine, theology and practice which were implemented differently by the Western and Eastern Churches over the centuries, and these decisions, according to Gibbon, were a way for each Church to assert its independence from, and assert its authority and superiority over, the other Church.
 

DavyCrocket2003

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Hey Victor. It seems to me like a priest should be able to call on his congregation to help with some of his responsibilities if he is overburdened. Is that pretty common?
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
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Victor said:
Small town, more a communal, cost of living is low, life is simpler in general.
Thanks, if it works in such places there, could it not work in such places here?

Tashan said:
Sorry to interrupt guys, but i always been curious, does the bible demand from those who wants to be Priests to not marry?
No, it does not. The Bible does say that celibacy is better than marrying though.

Another question which just popped up in my mind. Where does the bible mention Priesthood?
The Bible talks about presbyteros and episkopos, from which the words priest and bishop are derived from, leading the churches.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
In Edward Gibbon's book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, if I remember correctly, he said the practice of not allowing priests to marry was attributable partly to the Western (Catholic) Church distancing itself from the Eastern (Orthodox) Church, which allows previously-married men to be ordained as priests.

This was one of many matters of doctrine, theology and practice which were implemented differently by the Western and Eastern Churches over the centuries, and these decisions, according to Gibbon, were a way for each Church to assert its independence from, and assert its authority and superiority over, the other Church.
Well, we've been practicing both for some time now. Also, not all of the East was anti-Rome. Gibbon's does make a good point though and I do think it carries some weight. However, the priesthood had little too no influence on our seperation. We could have agreed to disagree on this point and still remain united.

Hey Victor. It seems to me like a priest should be able to call on his congregation to help with some of his responsibilities if he is overburdened. Is that pretty common?
Davy, many pastoral duties can't be passed on. Like annointing the sick, Mass, etc. are strictly responsibilties of the priest. Our view of the priesthood differs and I'd have to go deeper in clarifying our differences.
Thanks, if it works in such places there, could it not work in such places here?
A rap song that alludes me at the moment goes something like this "Mo money, mo problems." The same applies with more people, more problems. I deffinately think it's possible, but it's just harder.
 
Well, we've been practicing both for some time now. Also, not all of the East was anti-Rome. Gibbon's does make a good point though and I do think it carries some weight. However, the priesthood had little too no influence on our seperation. We could have agreed to disagree on this point and still remain united.
Interesting. Frubals to you for the provocative and informative thread, by the way! :)
 
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