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A picture for Atheists - What is your impression of it's message?

Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
I want to discuss the Atheist vs Islamic view of how there is no life after death nor the re-creation of a decayed body.

I know many of you do not believe in this concept and so I wanted to best represent this with a picture, they say a picture is worth a thousand words, and I want to know what your impression is on it, in particular do you agree with the 'atheist' reasoning in the picture.

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Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
beerisit said:
Short answer....NO.
Long answer....No
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OK lets get serious, what is your view of an afterlife. Do you believe there is an afterlife and that our bodies will be brought back to life as they once were?

I'm guessing there are going to be a lot of short and long No's, if that is the case explain why.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Another possible caption:
Baby #1: Hey brother! Do you think that in the life after birth, we will meet our parents?
Baby #2: Apostate! Blasphemer! There is certainly only one parent, and Angellous is his name!
We will be born into His perfect world of peace, harmony & enlightenment.
 
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beerisit

Active Member
eselam said:
OK lets get serious, what is your view of an afterlife. Do you believe there is an afterlife and that our bodies will be brought back to life as they once were?

I'm guessing there are going to be a lot of short and long No's, if that is the case explain why.
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No.
Because it makes no sense to me. Because I don't need that security blanket in order that my life has meaning. Because if there really was a god and that was his plan then he is obviously a fool and I would expect that a god wouldn't be a fool.
 
mycorrhiza

mycorrhiza

Well-Known Member
eselam said:
It is funny but it does present the 'logical' reasoning of atheism behind it's claim that there is no God. Does it not?
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Nope. First of all, fetuses can't reason. If they could reason like adults, they would recognize all the evidence there was of them actually being inside another human. There's a huge difference between going through a hole and dying and returning to life, so it's not a very good analogy at all.

In our world, we have no evidence of God at all. What we do have evidence for, however, is that humans aren't special. We're mammals who evolved from other mammals. If there is an afterlife, I would say that it would have to apply to all animals, not just humans. Because of the fact that we have yet to see any evidence that there is a God or that the world isn't materialistic, I find there being an afterlife less probable than there not being one.

The fetus is rejecting Mom despite there being clear evidence, there's the difference.

I'm not saying that there is no God or that there is no afterlife, just that there's no evidence of there being any. We who deny it aren't like the fetus who denies something despite loads of evidence.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
mycorrhiza said:
Nope. First of all, fetuses can't reason. If they could reason like adults, they would recognize all the evidence there was of them actually being inside another human. There's a huge difference between going through a hole and dying and returning to life, so it's not a very good analogy at all.

In our world, we have no evidence of God at all. What we do have evidence for, however, is that humans aren't special. We're mammals who evolved from other mammals. If there is an afterlife, I would say that it would have to apply to all animals, not just humans. Because of the fact that we have yet to see any evidence that there is a God or that the world isn't materialistic, I find there being an afterlife less probable than there not being one.

The fetus is rejecting Mom despite there being clear evidence, there's the difference.

I'm not saying that there is no God or that there is no afterlife, just that there's no evidence of there being any. We who deny it aren't like the fetus who denies something despite loads of evidence.
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I think you're cheating the analogy, which makes the hypothetical presumption that the babies are fully capable of rational thought,
& are trying to reason what lies beyond their immediate environment, but with limited data. A believer might find this pithy.
 
mycorrhiza

mycorrhiza

Well-Known Member
eselam said:
OK lets get serious, what is your view of an afterlife. Do you believe there is an afterlife and that our bodies will be brought back to life as they once were?
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I know it isn't directed at me, but here's my views on the afterlife:

After we die, our atoms are recycled into other things, just like they are during our lives. We become food for plants and animals and thus we make a final contribution to the natural system. To me, this is beautiful. I would rather nurture a tree than live for all eternity.
 
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839311

Well-Known Member
Im an atheist, but I don't share the bleak view that when we die thats it. I think its possible that when we die thats it, but that is only one possibility among many. Another possibility is that when we die we go to heaven and God takes care of us. I don't believe in God, but its possible he exists. Another possibility is that this is a computer simulation of one kind or another, and after we die we wake up into the 'real' world. Another possibility is something similar to what mycorrhiza said, except that our atoms might possibly assemble themselves in a similar way as they are now, and we will be alive again. That idea is really complex though, with a whole range of variables involved about which we know very little, and I don't feel like getting into it here. Maybe Aliens will preserve our consciousnesses? Might sound funny to some people, but under the circumstances of what we know about reality, I would say it is more likely than the idea that there is a God who will take care of us.

In short, it takes some combination of ignorance and faith to think that death is permanent.
 
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HerDotness

Lady Babbleon
eselam said:
OK lets get serious, what is your view of an afterlife. Do you believe there is an afterlife and that our bodies will be brought back to life as they once were?
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Okay, I'll weigh in with a weird, far-out viewpoint.

I'm a believer in reincarnation despite being essentially an atheist. Therefore, I think what's commonly called the soul is simply energy that leaves the physical body at death to go to a mode of existence referred to as "another plane."

Eventually, this energy reinhabits a physical body and is born into another lifetime. So, obviously, I don't believe that the body I have now will do anything but rot away and hopefully feed some nice plants.

I'm an atheist because I think that the ideas people have of various deities are simply how we try to make sense of that which we don't yet know.

Perhaps there are some sort of quite natural spirit-beings that have communicated with some people and still do. These contacts have been very much transformed into belief in gods. That this may be so is part of my beliefs.

I am also skeptical that all this is just something I like to think could be true because doing so satisfies an emotional need of mine. Realistically, I know that my beliefs are more than likely just as foolish and baseless as those of people who believe in the deity-concepts of the various world religions.
 
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A Troubled Man

Active Member
The OP, in an attempt to show two individuals reasoning has instead shown a complete lack of reasoning in it's deployment. Well done.
 
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beerisit

Active Member
HerDotness said:
Okay, I'll weigh in with a weird, far-out viewpoint.

I'm a believer in reincarnation despite being essentially an atheist. Therefore, I think what's commonly called the soul is simply energy that leaves the physical body at death to go to a mode of existence referred to as "another plane."

Eventually, this energy reinhabits a physical body and is born into another lifetime. So, obviously, I don't believe that the body I have now will do anything but rot away and hopefully feed some nice plants.

I'm an atheist because I think that the ideas people have of various deities are simply how we try to make sense of that which we don't yet know.

Perhaps there are some sort of quite natural spirit-beings that have communicated with some people and still do. These contacts have been very much transformed into belief in gods. That this may be so is part of my beliefs.

I am also skeptical that all this is just something I like to think could be true because doing so satisfies an emotional need of mine. Realistically, I know that my beliefs are more than likely just as foolish and baseless as those of people who believe in the deity-concepts of the various world religions.
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Now look at that HerDotness, you have just blown all of the theistic beliefs regarding atheists clean out of the water..................BRAVO.......:bow::bow::bow::bow:
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I have a few problems with that picture. Here's my alternate version:

- hey! Did you know that after birth, a unicorn will give us each our own perfect placenta! No more sharing any more, and we'll be even warmer and cozier than we are here. Won't that be great? L

- When did you find all this out? We've been together the whole time. I think you're making it up. ... and what's a unicorn?
 
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