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A picture of salvation

Mr. Peanut

Active Member
Hi!

My first thread! I placed this in the Christian section as it pertains to the Christian view of salvation, and is for Christian discussion of the topic and in no way directed toward any other religion in attempts at conversion to Christianity. If this is not the right place, please tuck it away where it belongs.

Christians, does this story ring simple and accurate with your understanding of the Gospel? This is from Dr. Curtis Hutson's pamphlet, Why I Disagree with all Five Points of Calvinism: (the title of which is not what I am discussing, rather, the story)

A famous English preacher spoke in an English town, then rushed to catch his train for London. A sinner who heard him preach felt that he must immediately settle the matter of salvation. So he followed the preacher to the train. Just as the train pulled into the station, he took hold of the preacher's lapel and said, " I want to be saved! Tell me how!"
The minister said, "I must catch this last rain to London. Do you have a Bible?"
"Yes, I have one at home," said the anxious inquirer.
"Then go home and find Isaiah 53:6. Read it carefully. Go in at the first all, and come out at the last all, and you will be saved."
The preacher rushed away, and the anxious sinner was left alone. He went back to his home, and opening his Bible, he turned to Isaiah 53:6. What did the preacher mean, he wondered--"Go in at the first all and come out at the last all, and you will be saved"? He found the verse and read it carefully: "All we like sheep have gone astray."
Well, he thought to himself, I can certainly go in at the first all. I have gone astray. I am a poor, lost sinner. Then he read the last part of the verse, "And the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." He said to himself, "If I come out at the last all, I must believe that all my sins were laid on Christ, that He took my place and paid for my sins. And if I rely upon that, I will be saved. That's what the preacher meant."
He then trusted Christ and was saved. He believed that he was a sinner, and that all his sins had been laid on Christ.

Comments, questions, etc.?

Cheers!
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
do you think God can not speak forth his words according to his own please? do you not think he would remember one nation like unto another?
That's classic "substitutionary atonement" theology. My theological construct has no need of a blood sacrifice, so the story, while heartwarming, is so much fluff to me.
 

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
I think it's a neat little story. And I think it leads us to a great concept, that Christ was born for a single reason, a single vocation... and that was to die for us. I think that we need to remember that humility, and never forget it.
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
Brilliant, I love it, thanks for sharing brother that has given me a needed lift. It's an awesome wonder to think that He "the Just" died in my place "the unjust" to bring me to God, what manner of love is this?

1st Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
 

Mr. Peanut

Active Member
Hi!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, all. I pray more people will come out at that last 'all'.

Cheers!
 

Mr. Peanut

Active Member
Hi!

What does this scripture mean to you?

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Cheers!
 

porkchop

I'm Heffer!!!
Hi!

What does this scripture mean to you?

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Cheers!

That all of us have tried to find our own way to God, either by creating religion, worshiping wordly things, or simply ignoring Gods message, we have all fell astray and feel we can do it our own way, but God came in human form as Jesus for us, so as we may be saved, how amazing this whole chapter in Isaiah is, all about Jesus so long before it happened, i love prophecy!!
And welcome, Mr. Peanut, this forum could do with a christian like you here, hope you stick around and try not to get banned! All the good ones go to soon!!
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
That's classic "substitutionary atonement" theology. My theological construct has no need of a blood sacrifice, so the story, while heartwarming, is so much fluff to me.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what i asked or said, please re-read my post and answer the question.


then, also, how can you be a chrisitan if you don't believe in the Atonement of Jesus Christ? Like you we don't focus on the fact that he was cruscified, he took upon the sins of the world in the garden of Gethsemene. How he died is irrelevant. We focus on the Atonement, and Ressurection.
 

Mr. Peanut

Active Member
That all of us have tried to find our own way to God, either by creating religion, worshiping wordly things, or simply ignoring Gods message, we have all fell astray and feel we can do it our own way, but God came in human form as Jesus for us, so as we may be saved, how amazing this whole chapter in Isaiah is, all about Jesus so long before it happened, i love prophecy!!
And welcome, Mr. Peanut, this forum could do with a christian like you here, hope you stick around and try not to get banned! All the good ones go to soon!!
Hi!

Good answer! It is amazing that Isaiah wrote such a detailed prophecy of Christ dying to pay for our sins. Banned? Sounds like a scary place!

Cheers!
 

Mr. Peanut

Active Member
That has absolutely nothing to do with what i asked or said, please re-read my post and answer the question.


then, also, how can you be a chrisitan if you don't believe in the Atonement of Jesus Christ? Like you we don't focus on the fact that he was cruscified, he took upon the sins of the world in the garden of Gethsemene. How he died is irrelevant. We focus on the Atonement, and Ressurection.
Hi!

Um...huh? I believe the Atonement, as well, the Blood Atonement, but it was not accomplished in the garden! That's silly. You are joking, right???


For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Cheers!
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
Hi!

Um...huh? I believe the Atonement, as well, the Blood Atonement, but it was not accomplished in the garden! That's silly. You are joking, right???


For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Cheers!

no i am not joking, why do you think he BLED from every pore? Yes, this is when he took upon the sins of the world. and then he was sacrificed for our sins. How he died was irrelevant except that he had to die, but only after completing the Atonement in the garden of Gethsemane.
 

Mr. Peanut

Active Member
no i am not joking, why do you think he BLED from every pore? Yes, this is when he took upon the sins of the world. and then he was sacrificed for our sins. How he died was irrelevant except that he had to die, but only after completing the Atonement in the garden of Gethsemane.
Sorry, but that is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
well it wouldn't be if you actually studied the scriptures.


Maddy,

Bleeding from every pore in the Garden is an LDS teaching based on latter-day revelation. To my knowledge, it is not in the Bible, the scripture used by the vast majority of Christians. If I'm wrong, please post chapter and verse.


Getting back to the OP, Peanut, I think the story is spot on accurate. Thanks for sharing.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
That has absolutely nothing to do with what i asked or said, please re-read my post and answer the question.


then, also, how can you be a chrisitan if you don't believe in the Atonement of Jesus Christ? Like you we don't focus on the fact that he was cruscified, he took upon the sins of the world in the garden of Gethsemene. How he died is irrelevant. We focus on the Atonement, and Ressurection.
Where in the world did this come from??? I wasn't responding to your question, or your statement. My post was #2, in direct response to Mr. Peanut's OP.

You be a Christian in your way, I'll be a Christian in mine.
 

dance-above

Member
Brilliant, I love it, thanks for sharing brother that has given me a needed lift. It's an awesome wonder to think that He "the Just" died in my place "the unjust" to bring me to God, what manner of love is this?

1st Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Amen.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I think its very sad that we're so willing to applaud the sacrifice of Jesus. I would rather applaud the sacrifice God made to become one of us to reconcile us to God's self.
 
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