A possibly offensive question for anybody worshiping Jesus.

[Zanuku]

Well, as an honest question considering Jesus supposedly had no father.

Do you or have you ever considered that Christianity, Catholicism, etc could all be the offshoot of Mary having an affair and simply making an excuse about him being Gods son to hide it?...

(Considering the star that led the shepherds was in fact Halley's comet and all.)

 

[nazz]

I've certainly considered it. I just find no good reason to believe that is the case.

 

[Breathe]

Well, as an honest question considering Jesus supposedly had no father.

Do you or have you ever considered that Christianity, Catholicism, etc could all be the offshoot of Mary having an affair and simply making an excuse about him being Gods son to hide it?...

There have been people who have claimed Mary was raped.

There is no way to know. For all we know, he was Joseph's biological child.
But does it really matter? IMO, his message is most important, not his DNA.

(Considering the star that led the shepherds was in fact Halley's comet and all.)

That's presupposing that the star was not inserted later as a literary trope, which I think makes more sense.

 

[Zanuku]

There have been people who have claimed Mary was raped.

There is no way to know. For all we know, he was Joseph's biological child.
But does it really matter? IMO, his message is most important, not his DNA.


That's presupposing that the star was not inserted later as a literary trope, which I think makes more sense.

:yes:

 

[Sha'irullah]

I have held this opinion very strongly.

I have concluded if any mount of Jesus's story is real it results from Joseph and Mary having Jesus out of wedlock(very shameful back then) and covering up this event and later proclaiming Jesus's divine origins.
Take notice of how in the Bible Christians interpret it that Joseph and Mary left there land to go back home because of a census(which did not occur in reality). They probably fled because of public shunning and later left again(not because of Herod) because of further shunning in their hometown.

The stories they concocted went to Jesus and he grew up believing in his divinity. If you seriously read the Gospels the words ascribed to Jesus are very bizarre and incoherent. He contradicts himself and babbles on and on about theological unimportant concepts.'

He seems almost bewildered and delusional to some regards in his messages. Leaving at night with his disciples and taking a sword and giving about strange orders of his men. The lessons taught from them are nil but his rash behavior is evident.

 

[Assad91]

For such an idea to be legitimate, the virgin birth would take up more storytime then it does. Its just a quick mentioning in tne NT, and the ministry of Jesus' is spoken much more.

So regardless of the validity of the claim of the virgin birth, the crux of the story rests on events from Jesus' adulthood

 

[nazz]

Ask yourself this. If what you suggest were true why would Joseph go through with marrying her? Considering that marriages back then were generally arranged and not based on love.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Ask yourself this. If what you suggest were true why would Joseph go through with marrying her? Considering that marriages back then were generally arranged and not based on love.

Not true, we are talking about Roman subjugation. Apparently you do not know your history

 

[nazz]

Not true, we are talking about Roman subjugation. Apparently you do not know your history

I'm pretty knowledgeable about history. What does Roman subjugation have to do with anything?

 

[Sha'irullah]

I'm pretty knowledgeable about history. What does Roman subjugation have to do with anything?

What on earth makes you think 2 individuals cannot become married?

To be honest I doubt Joseph and Mary would have been married. Also Roman presence would have easily permitted any sort of uproar such as 2 unmarried individuals in coitus.

This is not an Israeli state where the 2 get stoned to death. Jews would have to abide by roman dictates for their kind naturally

 

[StarryNightshade]

Well, as an honest question considering Jesus supposedly had no father.

Do you or have you ever considered that Christianity, Catholicism, etc could all be the offshoot of Mary having an affair and simply making an excuse about him being Gods son to hide it?...

(Considering the star that led the shepherds was in fact Halley's comet and all.)

Being an ex-Christian, I've have heard this before, but I don't believe it personally.

For such a scenario to be plausible, one has to take into account that, if she did lie about him being divine to hide the fact that she had an affair, that is a very big lie for someone to commit to. Not to mention having to keep up with it for the amount of time Jesus was alive and to condition him into thinking he was such a being.

To me, it's much more plausible that he was a guy who simply had a message that spread like wildfire; for better or worse.

 

[ChristineES]

It's not the first time I've heard it, but if Mary became pregnant by a man, it probably wouldn't have been anyone's baby but Joseph's. Any woman who became pregnant out of wedlock back during that time would have been forced to marry the man who got her pregnant- that was their law.

 

[Bunny]

I believe that Jesus was the biological child of Mary and Joseph. To my way of thinking, it doesn't matter where the body that housed the spirit of Christ came from. Jesus was Divine because of that spirit, not because of who his biological father was.

 

[Katzpur]

Well, as an honest question considering Jesus supposedly had no father.

For starters, Jesus did have a Father. He addressed Him in prayers on numerous occasions, as evidenced in the Bible. Next question?

 

[nazz]

What on earth makes you think 2 individuals cannot become married?

To be honest I doubt Joseph and Mary would have been married. Also Roman presence would have easily permitted any sort of uproar such as 2 unmarried individuals in coitus.

This is not an Israeli state where the 2 get stoned to death. Jews would have to abide by roman dictates for their kind naturally

what does any of that have to do with my original comment?

 

[yokomodoful]

Well, as an honest question considering Jesus supposedly had no father.

Do you or have you ever considered that Christianity, Catholicism, etc could all be the offshoot of Mary having an affair and simply making an excuse about him being Gods son to hide it?...

(Considering the star that led the shepherds was in fact Halley's comet and all.)

I do not believe that. This from the very beginning ,Mary having an affair, was the most obvious answer. How do you think Joseph felt? She may have faced punishment for this, but Joseph was just going to leave quietly until the revelation he had in a dream.

 

[Galen.Iksnudnard]

Well, as an honest question considering Jesus supposedly had no father.

Do you or have you ever considered that Christianity, Catholicism, etc could all be the offshoot of Mary having an affair and simply making an excuse about him being Gods son to hide it?...

(Considering the star that led the shepherds was in fact Halley's comet and all.)

Honestly speaking it's not outside the realm of possibility.

People have been cheating on their spouses since the beginning of time.

That said, I believe that even so Jesus was probably a pretty chill guy.

For such an idea to be legitimate, the virgin birth would take up more storytime then it does. Its just a quick mentioning in tne NT, and the ministry of Jesus' is spoken much more.

OR they intentionally glossed over it because it's an inconvenient fact. Sort of how if someone is losing a debate they will change the subject.

 

[theosis]

The virgin birth story was invented after Jesus's death so there is probably no credence to this theory.

 

[nazz]

The virgin birth story was invented after Jesus's death so there is probably no credence to this theory.

It would be a pretty weird story to make up and there would also be no good reason to do it. It seriously complicates Jesus' messianic lineage.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

It would be a pretty weird story to make up and there would also be no good reason to do it. It seriously complicates Jesus' messianic lineage.

Messianic lineage makes sense only in terms of a Davidic messiah. In other words, a ruler or king anointed by (or with the approval of) god. The emperor during Jesus' day was known as the son of god, as were emperors before him (notably Alexander the Great). Could it not be that the birth narrative both explained why Jesus of Nazareth wasn't actually born in Nazareth (where no messiah would come from) but Bethlehem, and simultaneously rely upon the widely spread stories about kings/emperors who were sons of God?