A question about the "inspirations" of the authors of Gospels

[Godobeyer]

Hi all
accuatly I tried to understand the "inspirations of the authors of the gospels" ,but i could not .
I have to questions about it.
1-1- it's like an angel comes to these authors and dicting them the gospel , or the story of the Jesus (pbuh)
or
1-2- it's looks like they travel to the time and saw the story of Jesus (pbuh)

2- and why there were more than 4 gospels ? and indeed why we have 4 gospels not only 1 ?

 

[Quiddity]

That is a hefty question. In a nutshell, inspiration was very messy. Personally, I find more comfort in that then an inspiration that is clean and possibly contrived.

What else would you expect in humans? They are stubborn and even if inspired they don't lose their ability to ignore God or sin.

For nearly 400 years uninspired texts were being circulated along side the inspired texts. So, how could anyone know in those times?

I don't know if I have the expertise or time to fully answer your question but that is my two cents.

 

[Godobeyer]

That is a hefty question. In a nutshell, inspiration was very messy. Personally, I find more comfort in that then an inspiration that is clean and possibly contrived.

What else would you expect in humans? They are stubborn and even if inspired they don't lose their ability to ignore God or sin.

how is that ? it's human or god book ?

For nearly 400 years uninspired texts were being circulated along side the inspired texts. So, how could anyone know in those times?

how do you know that these 4 gepols are not belong to "uninspired texts" ?
and who allowed to make and to write uninispired (fake) gospels ?
and where were the Church commend (power) in that time to stop that ?
and where were the followers of Jesus (pbuh) to tell them ,to stop making fake gespols ?

I don't know if I have the expertise or time to fully answer your question but that is my two cents.

thank you for this answers , but accuatly i want more clarify in this issue .

 

[Quiddity]

how is that ? it's human or god book ?

Both. Look up the word Synergy to give you more clarity.

Synergy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

how do you know that these 4 gepols are not belong to "uninspired texts" ?

Me personally? I don't know. I rely, trust, and have faith in the Catholic Church in this. I could see several connections between the books that can lead me to believe they are inspired but that's about it (this is the work of a scholar to which only an elite few do anyways). However, my faith/religion is not a religion of a book; so it doesn't matter whether we have everything in writing as we operate as a communal
consciousness.

and who allowed to make and to write uninispired (fake) gospels?

Allowed? I don't know how you could stop people from writing? People wrote what they tought to be true; even though it contained errors. It's not like there was a select few who were "choosen" to write. The Apostles themselves probably didn't know they were "inspired". It didn't work that way. The consciousness of the Church would recognize later.

and where were the Church commend (power) in that time to stop that ?

Can you rephrase this please. I don't understand what you mean.

and where were the followers of Jesus (pbuh) to tell them ,to stop making fake gespols ?

Some of them were to busy hiding and writing letters themselves. But when they found fake writings they were sure to let others know and condemn them.

 

[Godobeyer]

Allowed? I don't know how you could stop people from writing? People wrote what they tought to be true; even though it contained errors. It's not like there was a select few who were "choosen" to write. The Apostles themselves probably didn't know they were "inspired". It didn't work that way. The consciousness of the Church would recognize later.

you mean that the church leaders were confused/hesitate/neglige to choose a gospel
for 400 years !!!?

Can you rephrase this please. I don't understand what you mean.

my question was about why the leaders of church did not say to the people stop writing fake gospels , and choose only the first one ?

Some of them were to busy hiding and writing letters themselves. But when they found fake writings they were sure to let others know and condemn them.

i heard that the church in that time put all the gospels in one table , then choose only 4 of them .as lottery ?

and you said "they" , what you mention by "they" , the leaders of the churchs in that time ?

 

[Quiddity]

you mean that the church leaders were confused/hesitate/neglige to choose a gospel for 400 years !!!?

You have to remember that it was illegal to be Christian in certain parts of the world until the 300's when Constantine became emperor. That changed everything.

It's not that they didn't have the correct text, it's just that they didn't see a need to put it together until the right time came. Also, keep in mind that a high percent of people didn't even know how to read, so having a book would have only been for a few people.

There are so many factors that played into this.

my question was about why the leaders of church did not say to the people stop writing fake gospels , and choose only the first one ?

They did tell them, but sometimes they wouldn't find out until years later.

i heard that the church in that time put all the gospels in one table , then choose only 4 of them .as lottery ?

Somebody lied to you.

and you said "they" , what you mention by "they" , the leaders of the churchs in that time ?

Leaders of the Church and people that were well educated that knew the difference.

 

[Godobeyer]

ok , if you are the christians believe in Gospel , why you add Torah to it and called them Bible ?
is the Gospels not enough ? (not completed message done by Jesus pbuh) ? to refer to other religion book !!!

and i have other question :
as i see the Gospels had different times of appear , and that mean there was different time of writing fake gospels ?

 

[Quiddity]

ok , if you are the christians believe in Gospel , why you add Torah to it and called them Bible ?

Because we don't consider ourselves a seperate religion from those in the Old Testament.

is the Gospels not enough ? (not completed message done by Jesus pbuh) ? to refer to other religion book !!!

Not enough for what? We have more then just the Gospels and Torah in the Bible. We have books in the OT that Jews don't follow.

and i have other question :
as i see the Gospels had different times of appear , and that mean there was different time of writing fake gospels ?

That is correct. The New Testament books were written around the first 100 years after Jesus was born. Fake gospels were written even passed 100 years.

 

[Godobeyer]

Because we don't consider ourselves a seperate religion from those in the Old Testament.

this is not equal situation , but the jews consider your book (NT) a seperate, and your religion (fake ). that mean you don't considerate the judiasm a fake religion ?

and how about the contradictions that between the OT and NT ? what the christians should follow the context of OT or context of NT ,if they are contradict each other ?

Not enough for what? We have more then just the Gospels and Torah in the Bible. We have books in the OT that Jews don't follow.

I mean that the Gospels (NT) is not enough for the christians to refer to a Book of Jews (OT)

That is correct. The New Testament books were written around the first 100 years after Jesus was born. Fake gospels were written even passed 100 years.

yeah , but my question was about the Gospels appears in different ages ,

if i am wrong in the date plz just tell me :
Luke : 61-64
Mark 75 to 100 AD
Mattew : between about 80–90 AD
John : 90-120 AD

how the christains choose between all the Gospels , just by trust ?

 

[rusra02]

Hi all
accuatly I tried to understand the "inspirations of the authors of the gospels" ,but i could not .
I have to questions about it.
1-1- it's like an angel comes to these authors and dicting them the gospel , or the story of the Jesus (pbuh)
or
1-2- it's looks like they travel to the time and saw the story of Jesus (pbuh)

2- and why there were more than 4 gospels ? and indeed why we have 4 gospels not only 1 ?

Three of the gospel writers were eyewitnesses to the events they records (Matthew, Mark and John). Luke's gospel tells us that he "traced all things from the start with accuracy" (Luke 1:2,3), evidently talking to eyewitnesses of the things he recorded.
These men had God's holy spirit upon them. (Acts 2:4) Thus these men "spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit." (2 Peter 1:21) God used his holy spirit to enable these men to write down what God wanted recorded. (2 Timothy 3:16,17)
So the gospels and the rest of the Christian scriptures are "not..the word of men.. but the word of God." (1 Thessalonians 2:13)

Having four gospels allows for four separate witnesses to attest to Jesus Christ's life, teachings, and miracles. A single witness could not provide this level of evidence. Each gospel also contains some events or teachings not recorded in the other gospels, thus giving a broader and more complete view of Jesus teachings than a single account.

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[Bob Dixon]

This all is true. Whereas a single writer would bring along all sorts of biases, having the four accounts allows us to more easily distinguish right from wrong.

 

[Quiddity]

this is not equal situation , but the jews consider your book (NT) a seperate, and your religion (fake ). that mean you don't considerate the judiasm a fake religion ?

Not entirely, no. There is much we agree on.

and how about the contradictions that between the OT and NT ? what the christians should follow the context of OT or context of NT ,if they are contradict each other ?

You can find contradictions inside the OT by itself or in the NT by itself. You don't need to put them against each other to say there is contradictions.

My answer to you is, there is no contradictions.

I mean that the Gospels (NT) is not enough for the christians to refer to a Book of Jews (OT)

I still don't know what you mean by "not enough"? The OT gives context to the NT and they are inspired as well. We put put them all together at one time. Remember, Christians didn't just consist of Gentiles but also of Jews.

yeah , but my question was about the Gospels appears in different ages ,
if i am wrong in the date plz just tell me :
Luke : 61-64
Mark 75 to 100 AD
Mattew : between about 80–90 AD
John : 90-120 AD
how the christains choose between all the Gospels , just by trust ?

The leaders of the time were lead by the Holy Spirit and could recognize what was and what wasn't as they already new the faith orally.