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A question for Christians

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
So for Christians who believe in original sin...a lot of Christians I see and talk to seem so negative of human nature. They see humans as inherently evil and sinful cuz of Adam and Eve. And we should be shameful of our nature feel guilt so we should repent. Now certainly humans can seem evil. I am not saying the view isn't vaild. I just want to know what made you drawn to this ideology. For those who agree why does it appeal to you? For me it's not appealing. It even seems unhealthy. However for some folks this ideology seems to be their thing and perhaps I've misunderstood it. I don't understand why anyone would find it appealing. I just want to know that's all.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
So for Christians who believe in original sin...a lot of Christians I see and talk to seem so negative of human nature. They see humans as inherently evil and sinful cuz of Adam and Eve. And we should be shameful of our nature feel guilt so we should repent. Now certainly humans can seem evil. I am not saying the view isn't vaild. I just want to know what made you drawn to this ideology. For those who agree why does it appeal to you? For me it's not appealing. It even seems unhealthy. However for some folks this ideology seems to be their thing and perhaps I've misunderstood it. I don't understand why anyone would find it appealing. I just want to know that's all.
The knowledge that you are a sinner is never "appealing". But I think most people recognize that it's the truth, they just reject it because it's asking something of them, that they have to let go of their pride. It's not just about Adam and Eve, we should all recognize that within us we have the seeds of evil.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
The knowledge that you are a sinner is never "appealing". But I think most people recognize that it's the truth, they just reject it because it's asking something of them, that they have to let go of their pride. It's not just about Adam and Eve, we should all recognize that within us we have the seeds of evil.
Thank you for your response.
 

an anarchist

Your local loco.
So for Christians who believe in original sin...a lot of Christians I see and talk to seem so negative of human nature. They see humans as inherently evil and sinful cuz of Adam and Eve. And we should be shameful of our nature feel guilt so we should repent. Now certainly humans can seem evil. I am not saying the view isn't vaild. I just want to know what made you drawn to this ideology. For those who agree why does it appeal to you? For me it's not appealing. It even seems unhealthy. However for some folks this ideology seems to be their thing and perhaps I've misunderstood it. I don't understand why anyone would find it appealing. I just want to know that's all.
As a Christian, I believe in original sin, and it being passed down throughout the generations. How I see it, humanity’s purpose is to become enlightened and overcome this original sin spirit. The death of Jesus Christ freed us from the karma that original sin bound us to. This karma being that humanity was due for eternal destruction. So with Jesus’s sacrifice, a path has been provided to us to overcome this original sin. This happens at an individual level, but the purpose of humanity is to make this happen at the collective level. I don’t see it as we’re inherently evil. The untainted pure spirit is our true selves, but this spirit becomes almost instantaneously corrupted, starting at conception. So it is our environment which makes it seem to some that humans are inherently evil. It is this process which necessitates the need for salvation. Humans are inherently good (I believe*), and original sin is a factor in the cosmic battle between good and evil that is happening.
I apologize for being convoluted!
 

JoshuaTree

Flowers are red?
So for Christians who believe in original sin...a lot of Christians I see and talk to seem so negative of human nature. They see humans as inherently evil and sinful cuz of Adam and Eve. And we should be shameful of our nature feel guilt so we should repent. Now certainly humans can seem evil. I am not saying the view isn't vaild. I just want to know what made you drawn to this ideology. For those who agree why does it appeal to you? For me it's not appealing. It even seems unhealthy. However for some folks this ideology seems to be their thing and perhaps I've misunderstood it. I don't understand why anyone would find it appealing. I just want to know that's all.

Original sin
So for Christians who believe in original sin...a lot of Christians I see and talk to seem so negative of human nature. They see humans as inherently evil and sinful cuz of Adam and Eve. And we should be shameful of our nature feel guilt so we should repent. Now certainly humans can seem evil. I am not saying the view isn't vaild. I just want to know what made you drawn to this ideology. For those who agree why does it appeal to you? For me it's not appealing. It even seems unhealthy. However for some folks this ideology seems to be their thing and perhaps I've misunderstood it. I don't understand why anyone would find it appealing. I just want to know that's all.

Once upon a time man pondered the question where did all these languages come from, so the story of the tower of Babel.

Once upon a time man pondered where all the sin came from, so the story of the fall of man.

Everything that doesn't come from faith is sin, original sin is man declaring himself God deciding for himself good and bad, what is and what isn't sin. Leviticus, 613 bludgeon worthy trespasses more or less. Jesus said the law could be summed up in two commandments, love God with all your being love your neighbor as yourself.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
So for Christians who believe in original sin...a lot of Christians I see and talk to seem so negative of human nature. They see humans as inherently evil and sinful cuz of Adam and Eve. And we should be shameful of our nature feel guilt so we should repent. Now certainly humans can seem evil. I am not saying the view isn't vaild. I just want to know what made you drawn to this ideology. For those who agree why does it appeal to you? For me it's not appealing. It even seems unhealthy. However for some folks this ideology seems to be their thing and perhaps I've misunderstood it. I don't understand why anyone would find it appealing. I just want to know that's all.
Because we see how one part of ourselves wants to always be good but other parts of ourselves desire evil so they war against each other. It's appealing to think good will one day prevail.
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
So for Christians who believe in original sin...a lot of Christians I see and talk to seem so negative of human nature. They see humans as inherently evil and sinful cuz of Adam and Eve. And we should be shameful of our nature feel guilt so we should repent. Now certainly humans can seem evil. I am not saying the view isn't vaild. I just want to know what made you drawn to this ideology. For those who agree why does it appeal to you? For me it's not appealing. It even seems unhealthy. However for some folks this ideology seems to be their thing and perhaps I've misunderstood it. I don't understand why anyone would find it appealing. I just want to know that's all.


i think most everyone tries to be good. but then, sometimes one has to wonder WHY they’re being so nice. like, they probably want something?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
So for Christians who believe in original sin...a lot of Christians I see and talk to seem so negative of human nature. They see humans as inherently evil and sinful cuz of Adam and Eve.
The way I see it is that Adam and his wife demonstrated what happens when you don't listen to the Creator and decide for yourself what is good and bad......seems to me that many humans can't tell the difference...which is why God left that decision in his own jurisdiction. That way humans would never have to wonder if something was good or evil, they would just live their lives under God's instructions and all would have been fine and dandy. Not an evil thing would have entered their lives.

And we should be shameful of our nature feel guilt so we should repent.
Strangely, the first things that the humans experienced once they gained a knowledge of evil was "shame"....it was a new and very uncomfortable feeling and they had an inordinate need to cover their reproductive bits. So evil attached to sex was very real....and God's laws were very specific about what was lawful and what wasn't regarding sexual activity....because this had to do with the transmission of life....humans would become 'creators' of their own kind. It was a huge responsibility to bring children into the world because human infants are not programmed by God, like many in the animal kingdom are, but humans were to be taught by their parents.....and influenced by their genetics and their environment. We only have to look and see how many screwed up kids there are in this world to know that the parents were not really well equipped to handle the assignment well with "sin" in the equation.
"Sin" is actually an archery term that means to miss the mark......to fall short of perfection.

Now certainly humans can seem evil. I am not saying the view isn't valid. I just want to know what made you drawn to this ideology. For those who agree why does it appeal to you?
Appeal? It has no appeal, its just the way it turned out. To give humans free will was a risk, because abusing it could turn it into a curse instead of the gift it was meant to be. That is why "free will" wasn't really "free"....it had conditions attached, that would hopefully act as a deterrent to anyone who was tempted to step outside of God's commands, none of which originally amounted to a hill of beans btw. Nothing God asked of them was in any way harsh or demanding. He was a good parent trying to do the best for his children, protecting them from evil.....but they chose it and had to suffer the consequences, taking all their children with them. But right at the start, God implemented a way for the children of Adam and his wife to be redeemed out of this sad and sorry condition.

How does "sin" make a Christian feel?
The apostle Paul explains...Romans 7:21-25....
"I find, then, this law in my case: When I wish to do what is right, what is bad is present with me. 22 I really delight in the law of God according to the man I am within, 23 but I see in my body another law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sin’s law that is in my body. 24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from the body undergoing this death? 25 Thanks to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So, then, with my mind I myself am a slave to God’s law, but with my flesh to sin’s law."

Its an internal battle between the flesh and the spirit....we all have a conscience and sometimes it warns us not to do what we know is wrong....but then we do it anyway....and sometimes we feel bad about it....but not always if we can justify our bad behavior.

For me it's not appealing. It even seems unhealthy. However for some folks this ideology seems to be their thing and perhaps I've misunderstood it. I don't understand why anyone would find it appealing. I just want to know that's all.
Like I said no one wanted this....least of all God, but he wanted humans to see that free will, when used in the wrong way will cause harm and ruin....used in the right way it will bring happiness and blessings....its a hard lesson to learn, but apparently we couldn't be told...we had to be shown.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
So for Christians who believe in original sin...a lot of Christians I see and talk to seem so negative of human nature. They see humans as inherently evil and sinful cuz of Adam and Eve. And we should be shameful of our nature feel guilt so we should repent. Now certainly humans can seem evil. I am not saying the view isn't vaild. I just want to know what made you drawn to this ideology. For those who agree why does it appeal to you? For me it's not appealing. It even seems unhealthy. However for some folks this ideology seems to be their thing and perhaps I've misunderstood it. I don't understand why anyone would find it appealing. I just want to know that's all.
It is not appealing. Grief no.
I love seeing people caring for each other.

But you said this:
Now certainly humans can seem evil. I am not saying the view isn't vaild.

Some just don’t “seem”; they are. Rapists, serial killers. But their experiences may have molded them. Or maybe some kind of chemical imbalances.

Humankind needs help.

I can’t speak for other denominations, only JW’s....but we try to reach our neighbors with the “good news of the Kingdom” (Matthew 24:14), Jehovah God’s Kingdom, through which these bad conditions will be removed from the Earth. Revelation 21:3-4

Best wishes.
 
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