A question posed to islamic hell/heaven theory ?

[shubhamgarg1993]

i want to ask that as much as i know through quran...

One of the essential criteria to go to heaven is that ..

U must beleive in allah and quran as his final word and muhammad the last prophet..


So what about the righteous non muslims?

Eg. Mother teresa ..

Who gave all life to serve others ..but was a non muslim will she go to heaven or burn in hell.
Lets suppose even a person who is righteous in his path...and doing humanitarian works...but he declines to accept the islam for he/she is not convinced by quran , or dont wish to adopt islam..yet does nothing wrong will he/she go to heaven or hell.

 

[Starsoul]

i want to ask that as much as i know through quran...

One of the essential criteria to go to heaven is that ..

U must beleive in allah and quran as his final word and muhammad the last prophet..


So what about the righteous non muslims?

Eg. Mother teresa ..

Who gave all life to serve others ..but was a non muslim will she go to heaven or burn in hell.
Lets suppose even a person who is righteous in his path...and doing humanitarian works...but he declines to accept the islam for he/she is not convinced by quran , or dont wish to adopt islam..yet does nothing wrong will he/she go to heaven or hell.

That is not our place to judge at all actually.

Judgment is for Allah only, no person can really judge the life, circumstances, the pains and the sufferings of another person, for anyone to actually give a sound judgment, only Allah can do that.

For that matter ,it isn't even allowed to quote about someone you know inside out that "he is a good person' Whats recommended to say of him is 'I think ,he's a good person, (as far as i know,or in my opinion)".

But it is said, that For those who came across the word and message of God, and did not believe in it will be asked why did they not?will reply to the last part of your question laters

 

[shubhamgarg1993]

the answer you give is not convincing i feel.

for i think you tend to say that how do i know that mother teresa was really a good personality.!!

leaving apart lets think

" a noble person is there who is really pure inside out has never commited any sin and works for humanity but declines to adopt islam for he thinks either his faith is sufficient or is not convinced by quran than he would go to hell or heaven."


and this not a topic that we can say only allah can ponder over for in quran there are clearly given what to do to get to paradise then we shall realyy know who would go to paradise and who wont !!

 

[Starsoul]

These are the basis of Virtue in Islam. It all starts with the beliefs.



Virtue is collectively defined as Taqwa (Virtuousness, Righteousness) in the Quran and One of its complete definition is found in Sura Baqara' as,



" But Righteous is he who believes in Allah, and the last Day and the Angels and the Scriptures and the Prophets; and gives his wealth for the love of Him, to kinsfolk and to the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observes proper worship and pays the poor-due.(contd)



And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient ones in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the God-fearing." (2 : 177)


And in Sura Ale-Imran As,

"And strive one with another for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a paradise as wide as are the heavens and the earth prepared for those who ward off (evil); those who spend (of that which Allah has given them) in ease and in adversity, those who control their wrath and are forgiving toward mankind;

Allah loves the good; and those who, when they do an evil thing or wrong themselves, remember Allah and implore forgiveness for their sins - who forgives sins save Allah only? And will not knowingly repeat (the wrong) they did." (3 : 133-135

From the above verses, one may be able to conclude the following meanings for the word Taqwa (Righteousness):


1.Belief in : Allah; the Unseen; the Revelation to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh); the Revelations before Prophet Muhammad (pbuh); the Day of Judgment; the Angels, and the Prophets of Allah to mankind.


2.Performance of regular prayers.


3.Paying Zakat.(Tax)


4.Spending money in the way of Allah while at ease or in adversity for the love of Allah; and giving money to the kinsfolk, the orphans, the needy, the wayfarers, those who ask, and those in slavery to be set free.


5.Controlling one's wrath.


6.Forgiveness to others.


7.Fulfilling one's own commitments.


8.If one commits a mistake, he/she should ask forgiveness from Allah.


9.A person should not knowingly repeat the wrong deeds of he/she did before.


10.To have patience in tribulation, in adversity or at time of stress.

 

[Starsoul]

the answer you give is not convincing i feel.

for i think you tend to say that how do i know that mother teresa was really a good personality.!!

leaving apart lets think

" a noble person is there who is really pure inside out has never commited any sin and works for humanity but declines to adopt islam for he thinks either his faith is sufficient or is not convinced by quran than he would go to hell or heaven."

As far as my definition of righteousness is concerned, it is totally in line with the Quran,which i posted above, but even then it does not mean that i have the authority to go on assigning hell or heaven to people, simple as that.

The verses are all i can give to show you what the concept is, which is self evident and shows that believing in One God and the day of judgment, the Angels, the Divine Books, and the Prophets is Mandatory for the virtue to be weighed as a virtue. BUT,

Suppose, you were a non believer till this time, and you've done many virtues till now, you might think that your previous virtues may not count if you were to accept the message of Islam now, but no, if you accept the message of Islam, all your previous virtues will still get counted. In addition, all your previous sins will be washed away, you start anew, from scratch.This has been said in the verses too, but I'll have to look for them to quote if you want me to.

As for maintaining the spirit of goodness without the belief in God, I'd ask whats stopping you / peer pressure, society, fear of abandonment etc.( or satan, how would you know its not satan)? Wouldn't that mean that You fear all those things more than you fear the one true God?One has to know God more, and the best way is through his own words, you will have to listen to more lectures on Islam to understand more.(you as in, whoever wants clarification on that concept).

The awakening or the need to know God usually happens when people have achieved a certain maturity in life and start pondering over the deeper meanings of life, once you've had a nice house, a car and a kid, you'd know what a purposeful life actually means. You could search for a God when younger too, but your sentimental attachment to your previous set of beliefs , or your loved ones can significantly contribute to steer you away from the truth.

Not believing in one God will keep you away from the final truth of life, and preferring to live in a comfortable lie isnt a 'good' justified', or a 'well suited for long' code of belief, it never lasts long. There are virtues in Islam that you cannot follow if you did not believe in God as He is.

Sura Baqara' Whenever my obedient ones ask you about me(Allah),say, I am near, I answer the appeal of the prayerful one, whenever he appeals to me, Let them respond to me and believe in me, so they maybe directed."(186)

 

[RamaRaksha]

Speaking as Hindu it makes me sick to think a "loving" God would torture anyone, even the so-called evil ones. There is no place for a hell in Hinduism.

God's real name is Truth & as long as someone leads a Truthful, honest life, he or she is close to God. A Good Atheist is closer to God Rama than even a Good Hindu, so says this Hindu. Character matters in Hinduism.

Unfortunately most religions are taken over by proselytizers & by insisting that you have to accept their "god" they use threats to try convert you. Lowering God to a common proselytizer, using him as a conversion tool. Abuse of God, IMHO.

 

[shubhamgarg1993]

@Starsoul

so with all these what you wish to say ?

means lets say a person obeys all points of taqwa except the point 1 that he believes in allah ..

then he would go hell or heaven ?

will he bur in heaven though right in his deeds..

 

[.lava]

i want to ask that as much as i know through quran...

One of the essential criteria to go to heaven is that ..

U must beleive in allah and quran as his final word and muhammad the last prophet..


So what about the righteous non muslims?

Eg. Mother teresa ..

Who gave all life to serve others ..but was a non muslim will she go to heaven or burn in hell.
Lets suppose even a person who is righteous in his path...and doing humanitarian works...but he declines to accept the islam for he/she is not convinced by quran , or dont wish to adopt islam..yet does nothing wrong will he/she go to heaven or hell.

according to our teachings those you listed is not enough to earn heaven. one must wish to reach God because heaven is a place for the ones who wants God. if there were any people who's unaware of civilizations, even if those people did not know name of Prophets in case they think of and wish to reach their creator they earn heaven. that's show i know it

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[A Thousand Suns]

i want to ask that as much as i know through quran...

One of the essential criteria to go to heaven is that ..

U must beleive in allah and quran as his final word and muhammad the last prophet..


So what about the righteous non muslims?

Eg. Mother teresa ..

Who gave all life to serve others ..but was a non muslim will she go to heaven or burn in hell.
Lets suppose even a person who is righteous in his path...and doing humanitarian works...but he declines to accept the islam for he/she is not convinced by quran , or dont wish to adopt islam..yet does nothing wrong will he/she go to heaven or hell.

To enter haven according to Quran & Hadis

1) Believe in One God
2) Believe in all Messengers(pbuh all) of God & the Books given to them this includes following the last prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and following his teachings
3) Believe in Angels
4) Believe in the day of judgment

These are the four minimum criteria required to enter haven .But there are exception for those people to whom the Message of Islam couldn't reach .But for them to enter haven they must believe in One God & do righteous deeds

 

[A-ManESL]

i want to ask that as much as i know through quran...

One of the essential criteria to go to heaven is that ..

U must beleive in allah and quran as his final word and muhammad the last prophet..

This is not the basic criteria, as the Quran says. If you are a righteous person, you will be rewarded likewise. Although the conception of "heaven" may be different in other faiths, the reality of it, that is nearness to God is the same. Also "Allah" is the Arabic name for God. "Tell them, "It is all the same whether you call Him God or the Beneficent. All the good names belong to Him." -Quran 17:110"

Those who believe and those who are Jews, Christians and Sabeans,[in fact] anyone who believes in God and the Last Day, and acts honorably will receive their earnings from their Lord: no fear will lieupon them nor need they feel saddened.-Quran 2:62


[But] they are not all alike: among the followers of earlier revelation there are upright people, who recite God's messages throughout the night, and prostrate themselves [before Him]. They believe in God and the Last Day, and enjoin the doing of what is right and forbid the doing of what is wrong, and vie with one another in doing good works: and these are among the righteous.-Quran 3:113-114


Nonetheless, those who believe in- the prophets who dated for back in the past and those who profess Judaism and the various sects of the Sabeites and of the Sabaeans and the Christians and those who fall in line with the prophet Muhammad; whoever believes in God, and acknowledges the truth of Resurrection and Judgement and imprints his deeds with wisdom and piety, shall Heaven reward them for their homage thereto, and no fear nor dread shall fall upon them nor shall they come to grief.-Quran 5:69

Regards

 

[Starsoul]

@Starsoul

so with all these what you wish to say ?
means lets say a person obeys all points of taqwa except the point 1 that he believes in allah ..
then he would go hell or heaven ?
will he bur in heaven though right in his deeds..

It appears so, and here's why.(in my opinion)

Allah remains hidden from humanity, but He works for Humanity under the cloak of Nature, facilitating them and urging their wisdom to find clues to their creator. It is the right of the One true God to be acknowledged as the Creator. If you had kids, you would provide everything to them from their birth to when they are able to support themselves, and when one day off they go, denying you, forsaking your role in their brought up, belittling your love and commitment to them, would you be happy? Would you not feel wronged? Would you not wish your children to know your importance one day even though they had not developed the memory or the intellect to register your efforts as a parent in their most vulnerable days of life?

The most beautiful thing about Islam , maybe is percepted as the heaven, but in my opinion it is the Love of Allah ,the closeness to Him, and the feeling to be bonded to Him, after acknowledge Him and showing that acknowledgment through his obedience.

There is nothing more enriching for the mind than a sajdah to Him ( bowing down to Allah) One needs that everyday to feel humble and cared for in our existence. There are examples to learn from in every difficult step of life, The stories of the Prophets are each rich in their lessons for all the humanity.

It is my observation that people at some point in their lives are always in search of a very powerful, soulful and a deep feeling of love which they keep confusing with the physical realms of human love, and they keep on mistaking that urge for True love with a mortal love, and hence they disappoint themselves when human love does not feel as fulfilling and satisfying as they assume that it would or should.

Thats where you search for the Higher love and That urge will NEVER stop unless it is headed the right way; the way to Allah. You can hardly be inspirational to anyone if you are not inspired by Allah. And you cannot experience true love which can only happen with the creator, denying Him would be accounted as not only a grave loss of our own spirituality but also a great show of arrogance. If you read the stories of the prophets, their inspiration is all focused on the Love of Allah, and that is what makes them the most talked about, inspirational and unforgettable figures of History.

Try as you might , this world does not remember or dearly commemorate any great figure of history beyond a few tens of years, or mostly a hundred. You will only find Allah inspired people to always have a world wide mention , no matter where their actual followers are concentrated.

Ofcorse people like Mother teresa are famous too, but her influence is not as far reaching as the influence of the Messengers of God, because the Messengers of God are ideal, Perfect Human beings with no margin or instance of error( by the Will of Allah). But other people who do good for humanity cannot be perfect beings through and through and may have many flaws in some aspect of their personalities, many wrong decisions, and many regrets, which cannot be followed by all people as an ideal example.hence, You have to believe in the Messengers of God to be the prime source of divine inspiration, because thats what it is. Not that there aren't any other good people, but those good people cannot be perfect entirely and can only be related to in few matters of life as opposed to the messengers who can be looked up to in ALL matters of life.

People even try to ridicule the respect figures of religions because in reality they seem rather bothered why anyone is so popular at all without their contemporary presence, but True inspiration knows no bounds, it infiltrates all segments of society no matter how much you stop it.



May The people of truth be guided to the right inspiration, Ameen.

 

[Sahar]

i want to ask that as much as i know through quran...

One of the essential criteria to go to heaven is that ..

U must beleive in allah and quran as his final word and muhammad the last prophet..

This was one of the essential criteria, where is the other one? It doesn't work like this.
Faith + good work = heaven...
Heaven is deserved by both of them, you can't leave something out. This is what we should strive for.

But not every non Muslim is sentenced to hell. Every one is judged according to his capabilities, circumstances and what lie in the heart. That's why Allah is the One who judges us. Is it possible that someone searched for the truth and couldn't find it in Islam? Possible. If he was sincere and honest, then Allah knows this. Allah knows if he tried sincerely or not.

 

[Sajdah]

Is it possible that someone searched for the truth and couldn't find it in Islam? Possible.

I feel like I didn't get that point clearly, Sahar
How is it possible for someone searched the truth sincerely couldn't find it in Islam (if Islam was presented correctly to him)?

 

[Sahar]

I feel like I didn't get that point clearly, Sahar
How is it possible for someone searched the truth sincerely couldn't find it in Islam (if Islam was presented correctly to him)?

Well, I believe if you sincerely searched for the truth, you will find it God willing. But what if the seeker did his best and wasn't guided to Islam due to reasons like when Islam reach him in a distorted way?

God only knows our circumstances and our intentions.

Do you have any correction to what I say?

 

[shubhamgarg1993]

This was one of the essential criteria, where is the other one? It doesn't work like this.
Faith + good work = heaven...
Heaven is deserved by both of them, you can't leave something out. This is what we should strive for.

"But not every non Muslim is sentenced to hell. Every one is judged according to his capabilities, circumstances and what lie in the heart. That's why Allah is the One who judges us."

i disagree that not every non muslim is sentenced to hell.
clearly islam says Kafirs will burn in hell..
also Zakir Naik says even righteous non muslim will go to hell !!


lets see what a stupid logic to this question is given by neo-propet Zakir Naik ,
http://www.youtube.com/v/HbSUkq5ePew

 

[FaRa13]

The only answer to this is Allah knows best.
However, Allah mentions in The Qur'an that only one sin is unforgivable: associating partners with him. Keep in mind that if you are of the Christian faith, you associate partners with Allah meaning that this sin is barred from forgiveness.

 

[Sahar]

i disagree that not every non muslim is sentenced to hell.
clearly islam says Kafirs will burn in hell..

Yep, and not every non Muslim is a kafir.

If someone understood the message of Islam and rejected it, this person is a kafir. And his good deeds won't help him because a very crucial element must accompany our apparent good deeds to be accepted, is sincerity for the sake of God.

 

[Bismillah]

How is it possible for someone searched the truth sincerely couldn't find it in Islam (if Islam was presented correctly to him)?

Sajdah, I think you answered the question yourself. The truth is that it is extremely unlikely that a person who is searching for religion won't already have a distorted view of Islam because of preconceived notions that bombards people in the West maligning Islam. Being born a nonmuslim in the West pretty guarantees that the vast exposure to Islam will be portrayed in a negative light.

 

[Sahar]

Sajdah, I think you answered the question yourself. The truth is that it is extremely unlikely that a person who is searching for religion won't already have a distorted view of Islam because of preconceived notions that bombards people in the West maligning Islam. Being born a nonmuslim in the West pretty guarantees that the vast exposure to Islam will be portrayed in a negative light.

Yes, indeed Abibi...she answered it herself. I didn't notice before the part about presenting Islam correctly in her post.

 

[Starsoul]

clearly islam says Kafirs will burn in hell..
also Zakir Naik says even righteous non muslim will go to hell !!

All wrong. Even Muslims who aren't good practising muslims will burn in hell,(though not forever) because for muslims, believing in the 1st kailmah (the oneness of God and His prophets and the day of judgment) is not enough, much more is required of them.

i disagree that not every non muslim is sentenced to hell.

You can disagree all you want brother, that does not change the book of God or his words. When you look to confirm your agreements or disagreements about a certain faith, remember that it is the word of Allah (God) that the followers speak, not their own aimless opinions.

Have you seen the videos where the Naik addresses the mention of God and the Prophets in Hindu scriptures By Learned Hindu Pundits, its hard to ignore the simply brilliant argument of the Hindu Pundit, Vedaprakash Upadhai.

Amazingly the author of this book is a fair-minded famous professor, who happens to be a Hindu. His name is Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhai and the name of his fact revealing book is Kalki Avatar. The author is a Hindu Brahmin by caste of Bengali origin. He is a research scholar a seeker of the Truth and a Well known Pundit in Allahabad University.

After years of research work, he published this book, and Eight Hindu pundits have endorsed and certified his points of argument as authentic.


According to Hindu belief and their holy books, the description of the guide and the leader, named Kalki Avatar, fits only to the Prophet Muhammad of Arabia (S.A.S). So the Hindus of the whole world should not wait any longer for the arrival of Kalki Avatar (the spirit) and should readily accept Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S) as Kalki Avatar. The facts verified and supported by the eight eminent pundits.

Prophet Muhammad in Hindu Books

And detailed in this,

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in Hindu scriptures

Either you believe in bhagvan as the one true God, or you can choose to trivialize him with minor hand carved stone statues. The choice is yours.