A question

[niccolo25]

I would like to know what christian denomination is close to these ideas:
"Absolute centrality of mysticism, importance of the patristic tradition, love of medieval theology, centrality of the liturgy, anti-capitalism, socialism, welfare state, fight against inequalities, love for the Islamic religion, importance of the ecclesial dimension, blessings of gay couples, women priests , ecologism, personalism, no to abortion and the death penalty,no life imprisonment, feminism, Luther as a teacher of the faith (by reason of justification by faith), Buddha and Mohammed were partially and imperfectly guided by the Holy Spirit, centrality of the ecumenical dimension,search for unity of all churches, the church, when it defines dogmas, is infallible, democratic election of bishops and pastors, the universal church needs a head and a leader, freedom of conscience around contraception and assisted procreation, Aquinas was the greatest theologian of history, centrality of the pneumatological dimension, Scripture must be read within the tradition and experience of the Church, no individualism."
Thank you

 

[jeager106]

A Christian denomination close to that dogma?
NONE that I ever heard of. If so the denomination would not be Christian.
Really?????????????????????? You say; "Scripture must be read within the tradition and experience of the Church."
You speak in absolutes (must) leaving no room for other thoughts.
Who said ; "Scripture must be read within the tradition and experience of the Church." ???
"Church people can't think for themselves?
Granted many simply follow the Church dogma but many think for themselves, i.e.
about 66% of Jehovah's Witnesses were former Catholics.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

I would like to know what christian denomination is close to these ideas:
"Absolute centrality of mysticism, importance of the patristic tradition, love of medieval theology, centrality of the liturgy, anti-capitalism, socialism, welfare state, fight against inequalities, love for the Islamic religion, importance of the ecclesial dimension, blessings of gay couples, women priests ,ecologism, personalism, no to abortion and the death penalty,no life imprisonment, feminism, Luther as a teacher of the faith, Buddha and Mohammed were, at least partially, guided by the Holy Spirit, centrality of the ecumenical dimension, the church, when it defines dogmas, is infallible, democratic election of bishops and pastors, the universal church needs a head, freedom of conscience around contraception and assisted procreation, Aquinas was the greatest theologian of history, centrality of the pneumatological dimension, Scripture must be read within the tradition and experience of the Church."
Thank you

I don't think there is one that exists meeting those criteria.

Mentioning Aquinas and how the church is infallible would make you think Catholic.

But then you have all the Buddha and Mohammed were partially guided by the Holy Spirit stuff, and the blessing of gay couples stuff... So not Catholic.

Liberal Christian denominations tend to not dictate doctrine and think themselves infallible.

Yeah, I really don't think there's a denomination there which meets your criteria. Maybe, if I could suggest, we should be trying to go to a church that meets God's criteria, and not one that has to fit our own personal desires?

 

[McBell]

I would like to know what christian denomination is close to these ideas:
"Absolute centrality of mysticism, importance of the patristic tradition, love of medieval theology, centrality of the liturgy, anti-capitalism, socialism, welfare state, fight against inequalities, love for the Islamic religion, importance of the ecclesial dimension, blessings of gay couples, women priests , ecologism, personalism, no to abortion and the death penalty,no life imprisonment, feminism, Luther as a teacher of the faith (by reason of justification by faith), Buddha and Mohammed were partially and imperfectly guided by the Holy Spirit, centrality of the ecumenical dimension,search for unity of all churches, the church, when it defines dogmas, is infallible, democratic election of bishops and pastors, the universal church needs a head and a leader, freedom of conscience around contraception and assisted procreation, Aquinas was the greatest theologian of history, centrality of the pneumatological dimension, Scripture must be read within the tradition and experience of the Church, no individualism."
Thank you

Are you looking for the denomination that most closely agrees with ALL the statements or which denomination for each statement?

 

[niccolo25]

the first thing you said

 

[Shiranui117]

I would like to know what christian denomination is close to these ideas:
"Absolute centrality of mysticism, importance of the patristic tradition, love of medieval theology, centrality of the liturgy, anti-capitalism, socialism, welfare state, fight against inequalities, love for the Islamic religion, importance of the ecclesial dimension, blessings of gay couples, women priests , ecologism, personalism, no to abortion and the death penalty,no life imprisonment, feminism, Luther as a teacher of the faith (by reason of justification by faith), Buddha and Mohammed were partially and imperfectly guided by the Holy Spirit, centrality of the ecumenical dimension,search for unity of all churches, the church, when it defines dogmas, is infallible, democratic election of bishops and pastors, the universal church needs a head and a leader, freedom of conscience around contraception and assisted procreation, Aquinas was the greatest theologian of history, centrality of the pneumatological dimension, Scripture must be read within the tradition and experience of the Church, no individualism."
Thank you

You won't find a church or denomination that matches all of these, because a number of these criteria contradict each other.

 

[Sapiens]

You won't find a church or denomination that matches all of these, because a number of these criteria contradict each other.

There are over 33,000 Christian denominations and internal consistency has never been a Christian long suit. I'm sure there's at least one out there that fits.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

There are over 33,000 Christian denominations and internal consistency has never been a Christian long suit. I'm sure there's at least one out there that fits.

33,000 denominations =/= 33,000 theological differences

 

[Sapiens]

33,000 denominations =/= 33,000 theological differences

Are you sure?

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Are you sure?

Especially with the big estimates that say the number is over 30,000, they'll include regional churches and separate organisations that can easily agree on everything.

The 33,000 methodology somehow classifies the Catholic Church into 242 different denominations, the Orthodox church into 781 denominations. You can probably imagine how the estimate can get quite large when it's using such a wide understanding of the word 'denomination'.

 

[Sapiens]

Agree on everything? Then why separate organisations? There must be some difference.

OK, lets drop "denominations." How many separate, whatever you want to call them?

 

[skl]

I would like to know what christian denomination is close to these ideas:
"Absolute centrality of mysticism, importance of the patristic tradition, love of medieval theology, centrality of the liturgy, anti-capitalism, socialism, welfare state, fight against inequalities, love for the Islamic religion, importance of the ecclesial dimension, blessings of gay couples, women priests , ecologism, personalism, no to abortion and the death penalty,no life imprisonment, feminism, Luther as a teacher of the faith (by reason of justification by faith), Buddha and Mohammed were partially and imperfectly guided by the Holy Spirit, centrality of the ecumenical dimension,search for unity of all churches, the church, when it defines dogmas, is infallible, democratic election of bishops and pastors, the universal church needs a head and a leader, freedom of conscience around contraception and assisted procreation, Aquinas was the greatest theologian of history, centrality of the pneumatological dimension, Scripture must be read within the tradition and experience of the Church, no individualism."
Thank you

Considering all these denominations, organised groups or splinter organisations all believe that God is inspiring them to their form of Christianity or whatever the religion may be called, you are taking a shot in the dark as to whether you get to heaven or not. I recall people saying you can believe whatever you like as long as you give your life to God.

God however, may not be happy with your other beliefs such as condemning and discriminating against groups of people such as homosexuals and toss you into hell anyway, therefore if all these people believe they are doing Gods will it certainly tells you how contradictory and inconsistent the bible stories are.

The alternative of course is to weigh up the real evidence about what happens after death, the heaven and hell concept and why humans worship god’s etc. but of course you cannot find this information in the bible.

 

[Glaurung]

Agree on everything? Then why separate organisations? There must be some difference.

Because Christianity is too big and rich to be constrained to any one tradition. Orthodoxy is a collection of independent or semi-independent national churches all united in doctrine and obedience to the patriarchs. The Russians are not the same as the Greeks, but they are still one Chruch. Catholicism is far more centralised, but you have different rites which follow different liturgies and cultural practices. All Catholics are Catholics, but not all Catholics are Roman. The Chruch doesn't impose one cultural norm (or rite) upon all everyone in the Chruch. Syriac Catholics for example have their own traditions, but they are still Catholics. The same for the Ruthenians, Greek Catholics and so on. Unity does not mean cultural conformity.

OK, lets drop "denominations." How many separate, whatever you want to call them?

Sure there are thousands upon thousands of different Christian 'entities' most of which are Protestant variations and differ largely on their liberalness or conservatism rather than theology. But to suggest that there are thousands upon thousands of mutually exclusive interpretations of Christianity is pure hyperbole.

Very roughly speaking you have four major general interpretations of mainstream Christianity. You have the Catholic, Orthodox (Eastern and Oriental), Mainline Protestant (Lutheran, Anglican, etc), Calvinist (Reformed Churches), and Evangelical. (Of course there's a lot of grey here). You also have fringe groups such and the Jehovah Witnesses and the Mormons if you want to count them. But I'd argue that they are far too different to group them in as an 'interpretation' of mainstream Christianity.

 

[Sapiens]

A Christian denomination is a generic term for a distinct religious body identified by traits such as a common name, structure, leadership and doctrine. Individual bodies, however, may use alternative terms to describe themselves, such as church or fellowship. Divisions between one group and another are defined by doctrine and church authority; issues such as the nature of Jesus, the authority of apostolic succession, eschatology, and papal primacy often separate one denomination from another. Groups of denominations often sharing broadly similar beliefs, practices, and historical ties are known as branches of Christianity.

This is not a complete list, but aims to provide a comprehensible overview of the diversity among denominations of Christianity. Only those Christian denominations/organizations with Wikipedia articles will be listed in order to ensure that all entries on this list are notable and verifiable.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Agree on everything? Then why separate organisations? There must be some difference.

OK, lets drop "denominations." How many separate, whatever you want to call them?

A Christian denomination is a generic term for a distinct religious body identified by traits such as a common name, structure, leadership and doctrine. Individual bodies, however, may use alternative terms to describe themselves, such as church or fellowship. Divisions between one group and another are defined by doctrine and church authority; issues such as the nature of Jesus, the authority of apostolic succession, eschatology, and papal primacy often separate one denomination from another. Groups of denominations often sharing broadly similar beliefs, practices, and historical ties are known as branches of Christianity.

This is not a complete list, but aims to provide a comprehensible overview of the diversity among denominations of Christianity. Only those Christian denominations/organizations with Wikipedia articles will be listed in order to ensure that all entries on this list are notable and verifiable.

If you go to the Catholic section of that Wikipedia page, it lists a good 26 organisations which agree with each other completely on matters of doctrine. The difference is in their various traditions and the liturgy, which are about how they practise their faith and what the church service looks and feels like.

The Orthodox section lists a similar number, which also agree with each other on doctrine but have regional differences in their traditions and liturgies.

Just going to the Anglican, Reformed and Lutheran sections and you see them list many many churches, which in actual fact will have very similar if not identical doctrine. (Although there are a few churches that have now opened their doors to gay marriages so the unity isn't all there, but for the most part the churches listed will have the same doctrine.)

Often you'll have a denomination that simply isn't worldwide, they will be in one country even though they may very well completely agree with another denomination across the world in matters of doctrine.

Honestly I don't know what an exact estimate of the number would be, but the 33,000 is a gross exaggeration which includes regional and non-doctrinal differences. Imagine every country has their own country-specific denominations, and the number can soon get quite out of hand.

If you just look at the Wikipedia page's headings, it divides the groups into major subdivisions, this is where the major doctrinal differences actually come into play. In this case, it seems likely there are under 100 real divisions of Christianity, perhaps as small as 50, but if we want to be generous I wouldn't say over 500, maybe 1000 at a huge stretch with various small fringe groups. In terms of major groups which actually make up a significant proportion of Christians, it's less than 50.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I would like to know what christian denomination is close to these ideas:
"Absolute centrality of mysticism, importance of the patristic tradition, love of medieval theology, centrality of the liturgy, anti-capitalism, socialism, welfare state, fight against inequalities, love for the Islamic religion, importance of the ecclesial dimension, blessings of gay couples, women priests , ecologism, personalism, no to abortion and the death penalty,no life imprisonment, feminism, Luther as a teacher of the faith (by reason of justification by faith), Buddha and Mohammed were partially and imperfectly guided by the Holy Spirit, centrality of the ecumenical dimension,search for unity of all churches, the church, when it defines dogmas, is infallible, democratic election of bishops and pastors, the universal church needs a head and a leader, freedom of conscience around contraception and assisted procreation, Aquinas was the greatest theologian of history, centrality of the pneumatological dimension, Scripture must be read within the tradition and experience of the Church, no individualism."
Thank you

Where the Bible is silent, you have freedom--in any area, worship, beliefs, choices. The great unifier is Jesus, who spoke against some of the ideas you have, but not all of them. Trusting Jesus will give you clarity and peace of mind, and eternal life.

God so loved us, He gave His Son. Whoever trusts Him has eternal life and won't perish.

No church is perfect, no belief system of mere people is perfect. Jesus is perfect. Therefore, He died for the imperfect, and rose. Trust Him for eternal life.

 

[First Baseman]

I would like to know what christian denomination is close to these ideas:
"Absolute centrality of mysticism, importance of the patristic tradition, love of medieval theology, centrality of the liturgy, anti-capitalism, socialism, welfare state, fight against inequalities, love for the Islamic religion, importance of the ecclesial dimension, blessings of gay couples, women priests , ecologism, personalism, no to abortion and the death penalty,no life imprisonment, feminism, Luther as a teacher of the faith (by reason of justification by faith), Buddha and Mohammed were partially and imperfectly guided by the Holy Spirit, centrality of the ecumenical dimension,search for unity of all churches, the church, when it defines dogmas, is infallible, democratic election of bishops and pastors, the universal church needs a head and a leader, freedom of conscience around contraception and assisted procreation, Aquinas was the greatest theologian of history, centrality of the pneumatological dimension, Scripture must be read within the tradition and experience of the Church, no individualism."
Thank you

I'm not sure I have ever heard of such a faith as that. Maybe an extremely liberal sect that may or may not actually be Christians themselves.