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A quote from another forum. Ugh

Rex

Founder
“Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind”. Gandhi


People like that are easy targets for the bully on the block and end up dead without having to waste ammo
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"Torture" in regards to these people doesn't need to be "justified". It is a tool of warfare that is effective against the enemy and aids in destroying him. Physical or psychological, is doesn't matter as long as it gets the mission accomplished and saves lives. You all can sit back and argue morality, legality, etc...you can do so because the methods are employed on a daily basis without your knowledge.


What is wrong with people?
 

Rex

Founder
And then he says this:

You obviously have no idea what is going on in the world...let me clue you in real quick:

Isalmofacists DO NOT RECOGNIZE "personal liberty and respect for others"!!! Drastic times call for drastic measures...if that means some beatings, car batteries, jumper cables...so be it. They won't hesitate when they get to you.

We are INFIDELS to the enemy...it does not matter to them what "respect" you give them. They will cut your throat regardless...especially you when they find out you are a "christian".
 

Lintu

Active Member
That's how my mom feels. I hate it. She says, "well haven't you seen what they do to Americans there?" Well, yeah, mom, and you'd be doing the same thing if a bunch of people from another country came over and took out the president and decided to "fix" us.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
I repeat the "ugh" response of everyone else. This guy needs to go study ethics...
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
Rex_Admin said:
What is wrong with people?
We most hate that which we are most afraid of because fear makes us feel vulnerable. Violence makes us feel stronger - gives us the illusion that we are in control. Unfortunately, the illusion is temporary, so we have to repeat it again and again.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
It really gets my goat when people compare the actions of our soldiers to a rag-tag group of FREAKING EXTREMISTS and use it as a justification for the torture American soldiers have inflicted on captured Iraqis.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The guy probably thinks of himself as a realist. But so called realists are often short sighted. In the long run, for the United States to get a reputation for abuse and torture will do us no good in winning the type of wars we see now and are likely to see in the future.
 

robtex

Veteran Member
I have got a story that relates to this that happend to me in college. In college I was one of the orgininal members of the schools aikido club. I had been there for two years and one of the aikido instructors asked me to uke (take falls from throws) for him in a class he was teaching to the karate club. He was going to give them an intro into aikido type of thing. I was thrilled being an ex-member of the karate team I knew some of the old gang and loved the idea of cross training in general. I have always seen martial arts as a community.

I went into the room and was working drills before the class while my training partner Roger (who is an atheist btw) was stretching near me. Two guys on the karate team both vets in the martial arts with over 10 years of experience each were having a philophical conversation. One guy named Alan whom studied Jeet Kung Do (bruce lees art) and thai boxed in thai land before that was discussing personalization of hand to hand weapons with David a nidan (2nd degree black belt) in Tae Kwon Do and amauter kickboxer.

Alan was argueing that a knife was a more intimate weapon to kill another man with than a blunt instrument like a staff and David was argueing the opposite. Intimate was their chocice of words to define the act. I was looking at Roger puzzled and he was just as puzzled as I was about the choice of topics.

As their debate was subjective and relative the debate was a stalemate and they turned to us first, to me and asked, "what is more intimate to kill a person with a knife or a stick?" My first thought ( I was a pacifist at this time too) was" I am not going to be a part of this converstation ", and I made-up the excuse that I need to change to start class and I left. They asked Roger and he told them he need to concentrate on folding his hakama (japanese divided skirt) thus dodging the issue.

I left and did not learned who won that arguement that day but I did make a revelation from it. What makes violance distasteful to most people is the intimcacy of it. What made the question revolting to me was the reality that intimacy is an emotion that can be connected with killing.

I submit that in response to the poster of the other forum and Lintu's mother, that the cognitive seperation of the intimacy that is there with hurting and /or killing another is the missing componet that makes it permissable many times.

Next time your mother (lintu) talks about the reasoning for murdering people in Iraq show her pitures of the dead childern civilians and destroyed homes. Making it personal is the first step to making it intimate and making it intimate is to make it, for most, very distasteful.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
You know Rex...

Guys like that give morons a bad rap. Here we have distinct and undeniable evidence of devolution. People like this inspired the term "farm animal stupid". My apologies to the farm animals for the correlation.
 
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