A rare occurence from God

[savagewind]

He can't answer that. The GB has not revealed that and I suspect they never will.

 

[kjw47]

That's not true and you know it KJW! Why do you make stuff up?

They most certainly taught it was the 144,000 "class", who as a whole were responsible for feeding the sheep "proper food at the proper time".

Let's do a quick reality check:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.” (Matthew 24:45-47. New World Translation, emphasis added).​

There it is, right in your own bible. No sub-set of the "faithful and discreet slave" called the "Governing Board" but the entire slave class:

“Just as all members of ancient Israel formed one ‘servant,’ so also all anointed Christians on earth at any one time form ONE ‘faithful and discreet slave,’” (Watchtower, November 1, 2007, p. 30, emphasis added).​

So why did your Organization tell us it's all the "faithful and discreet slave" who gives "food at the proper time" but now tells us it's only the "Governing Board"? Also, why did the Governing Board split the slave in two, and where is the biblical support? Have they received "new light" that contradicts scripture?

When the master returns and finds some of the "faithful and discreet slave" giving food, while others refuse or fail to do so, won't he be upset? If not, please re-read Matthew 24:45-47 and tell us who the Happy slave is, and then read Matthew 24:48-51 which discusses the slave who doesn't fulfill their duty. Is the Governing Board setting the rest of the "faithful and discreet slave" up?

Since it it the Master who discharged this duty to the slave, how is it that one slave tells the other not to fulfill his duty while the Master is away? How can one slave tell another slave "you don't get to feed the sheep" when the Master has stated otherwise? Isn't this slave acting wickedly?

Also, if your Organization's interpretation is correct, why does the passage read "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave..." instead of "Who really are the faithful and discreet slaves..."??? In other words, why are you adding slaves?

Lastly, while you're explaining to us why "They never taught that" when we clearly see they did, can you explain why the Organization suggested it was Charles Taze Russell...by himself...who was the "discreet slave"?:

"Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of "that faithful and wise servant," and that his great work was giving to the Household of Faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation," (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1919, p. 357).​

Is this another instance of something that was never taught but was?

They are apart of the 144,000 but the majority of them lived in Jesus day and after for a little while.
Every mortal on earth knows errors were made trying to undo1750 years of pure lie being taught in the false religions claiming to be Christian--The trinity scholars know 100% for sure--NO TRINITY GOD EXISTS. They cant give up the billions being brought in yearly.

 

[kjw47]

You avoided my question, not surprised tho.

My question: If the white horse at the beginning of the tribulation is Jesus/Michael, what is He going out to conquer? It's not satan, nor the beast, nor the false prophet, so what is He conquering?

Jesus will be protecting his on earth__Gods will moves forward without fail.

You avoided my question, not surprised tho.

My question: If the white horse at the beginning of the tribulation is Jesus/Michael, what is He going out to conquer? It's not satan, nor the beast, nor the false prophet, so what is He conquering?

Why don't you show us where it says Jesus rides at the beginning of the trib????? I only ever saw 2 rides--the war in heaven and Har-mageddon. Which might just be considered-one ride all the way through.

 

[savagewind]

Why don't you show us where it says Jesus rides at the beginning of the trib????? I only ever saw 2 rides--the war in heaven and Har-mageddon. Which might just be considered-one ride all the way through.

Now you are making no sense at all. YOU say he rides as pictured in Revelation chapter six.

 

[Oeste]

They are apart of the 144,000 but the majority of them lived in Jesus day and after for a little while.

You are avoiding my questions.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of the "faithful discreet slave" who still partake in the emblems each year.

Why are they not serving food as the master commanded?
On what authority does one slave tell the other not to serve food? Isn't this a direct violation of the masters' command??
Why does the Governing Board split the slave in two?
Please support your answer with scripture.

 

[savagewind]

@kjw47 You didn't answer the question. 1 Peter 3:15. Is it not an order? Or do you take orders only from the governing body instead of from the living Bible?

Saying that Jesus receives a crown means that before receiving it he didn't have one. You can't dispute that. The crown means he is to be obeyed. I am asking you. I know that he was to be obeyed before what you say about him receiving a crown. And? Am I wrong?

Why is he being shown receiving a crown when he is forever to be obeyed?

Or.

Did he have no permission from Jehovah to rule before that event?

 

[savagewind]

You are avoiding my questions.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of the "faithful discreet slave" who still partake in the emblems each year.

Why are they not serving food as the master commanded?
On what authority does one slave tell the other not to serve food? Isn't this a direct violation of the masters' command??
Why does the Governing Board split the slave in two?
Please support your answer with scripture.

These are good questions! But, can anyone else see that they also split the 144,000 into two groups? The 144,000 are never shown in the scriptures on Earth. They are heavenly beings. But, the Jehovah's Witnesses give heavenly status to the ones claiming to be of that number but who have not proved faithful unto their death yet.

 

[savagewind]

He who has endured to the end will be saved but they elevate men to save them who have not even endured to the end themselves.

 

[kjw47]

Now you are making no sense at all. YOU say he rides as pictured in Revelation chapter six.

Rev 6--the war in heaven--not the trib,

 

[kjw47]

You are avoiding my questions.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of the "faithful discreet slave" who still partake in the emblems each year.

Why are they not serving food as the master commanded?
On what authority does one slave tell the other not to serve food? Isn't this a direct violation of the masters' command??
Why does the Governing Board split the slave in two?
Please support your answer with scripture.

What are you talking about? They do serve food--every week of every year since the last days began( barring their being thrown in prision for applying Jesus at the wars of hatred by telling the young men not to stand against each other on both sides--the blind failed to apply Jesus because they do not know him.

 

[kjw47]

@kjw47 You didn't answer the question. 1 Peter 3:15. Is it not an order? Or do you take orders only from the governing body instead of from the living Bible?

Saying that Jesus receives a crown means that before receiving it he didn't have one. You can't dispute that. The crown means he is to be obeyed. I am asking you. I know that he was to be obeyed before what you say about him receiving a crown. And? Am I wrong?

Why is he being shown receiving a crown when he is forever to be obeyed?

Or.

Did he have no permission from Jehovah to rule before that event?

He had his crown of being archangel=chief of the angels. The kingship was appointed( Dan 7:13-15) 1000 years then he hands the kingdom back to his God and Father-1Cor 15:24-28

 

[savagewind]

He had his crown of being archangel=chief of the angels. The kingship was appointed( Dan 7:13-15) 1000 years then he hands the kingdom back to his God and Father-1Cor 15:24-28

Has Jesus received the crown per Revelation 6:2 already? If yes, the 1000 years has begun (I don't believe it!) if no, then why is he shown riding before the other three, who are riding?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Why don't you show us where it says Jesus rides at the beginning of the trib?????

I never said it was Jesus riding the first white horse, I say it's the antichrist riding the first white horse, because it's the first seal opened at the beginning of the tribulation.

Read the two chapters again. Chapter 6 says, "I saw a white horse, and it's rider had a bow", chapter 19's rider is described in detail as being Jesus. Why would he have left out the details in chapter 6 if it was Jesus?

 

[savagewind]

Some have said it is pestilence pictured by the first horse. The whiteness can be seen as life in that germs are living things if that were so and life is from Jehovah. I agree with @djhwoodwerks that it might picture the anti-christ, but it probably is a composite of all those who come in Jesus name but are not him and do not lead the people by the way of God, the truth, and life.

 

[kjw47]

Has Jesus received the crown per Revelation 6:2 already? If yes, the 1000 years has begun (I don't believe it!) if no, then why is he shown riding before the other three, who are riding?

All saw them arrive in 1914-- its just the darkness that caused them not to see. Because 99% on earth live in darkness.

 

[kjw47]

I never said it was Jesus riding the first white horse, I say it's the antichrist riding the first white horse, because it's the first seal opened at the beginning of the tribulation.

Read the two chapters again. Chapter 6 says, "I saw a white horse, and it's rider had a bow", chapter 19's rider is described in detail as being Jesus. Why would he have left out the details in chapter 6 if it was Jesus?

Genesis shows Jesus took that ride, Revelation shows Michael took that ride--all who can add 1+1--sees light.
No matter what any one says--White in revelation= righteous.

 

[Oeste]

What are you talking about? They do serve food--every week of every year since the last days began( barring their being thrown in prision for applying Jesus at the wars of hatred by telling the young men not to stand against each other on both sides--the blind failed to apply Jesus because they do not know him

Apparently you didn't get or read the memo:

“Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence,” (Watchtower, July 15, 2013, p. 22).​

It is no longer the entire "faithful discreet slave" that feeds the sheep, but only a "small group" within the "faithful slave" that dispenses spiritual food. That small group is the Governing Board.

This is in direct contradiction to what is taught in the New World Testament..the one without all the "Trinity filled errors":

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.
​

So in the New World Translation we see, according to your Organization's interpretation, that it is one "faithful discreet slave class" of anointed brothers that dispenses food, but from the Watchtower, since approximately 2013, it's only a "small group" of anointed brothers, the Governing Board, that dispenses food.

I'm asking you which is correct...your bible or the Watchtower? Also, where does it say the "faithful discreet slave class" would be split in two, and why does one slave tell the other slave not to dispense food when the Master clearly states only those slaves who dispense food at the proper time will be happy when he returns?

Remember KJW...it is the Master who appointed this slave over his domestics, not other slaves.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

All saw them arrive in 1914

Not true! The men that ran your organization in 1914 SAID they saw it and told all the rank and file, who were told to believe everything those men said!!

 

[Oeste]

All saw them arrive in 1914-- its just the darkness that caused them not to see. Because 99% on earth live in darkness.

Wow! The darkness caused 99% not to see, but everyone saw them arrive!

If everyone saw them arrive KJW, why do you consider them in darkness? And if they are in darkness, why do you say they saw them arrive?

I'm really trying to grasp the logical flow or some pattern within your responses, but I'll be honest and say I'm missing it.

Can you elaborate on your answer?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Genesis shows Jesus took that ride, Revelation shows Michael took that ride

Chapter and verse to back these claims?