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A simple question for hamas supporter's

Pawpatrol

Active Member
Okay, then I am a Zionist. What is someone that also believes that the Palestinians should also that their own state and that these 2 states should exist alongside each other?
There are so many words to describe such a person... An ignoramus, a hypocrite, supporter of terrorism, immoral, uneducated, brainwashed... And so on.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member



It would be silly for them to make their own state just be killed, but ask them — they've made some dumb decisions in the past.
Hamas reaps what it sows. When they decide to come into the 21st century life will get better for them. Until then their whining is just noise.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
There are so many words to describe such a person... An ignoramus, a hypocrite, supporter of terrorism, immoral, uneducated, brainwashed... And so on.

Since you are describing at least one member of this forum, you might consider if you have broken the forum rules as written here:
Find rule 1.
 

Pawpatrol

Active Member
Since you are describing at least one member of this forum, you might consider if you have broken the forum rules as written here:
Find rule 1.
Really? I specifically chose formal polite words. I mean, how much nicer can I make it while still answering your question? And let me remind you, you asked the question. You shouldn't ask questions if you can't handle the answer.

I think it's okay. I didn't direct it to any specific person. (And I think Muslims on this forum are regularly described in offensive tones — nobody seems to mind:shrug:.)
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Really? I specifically chose formal polite words. I mean, how much nicer can I make it while still answering your question? And let me remind you, you asked the question. You shouldn't ask questions if you can't handle the answer.

I think it's okay. I didn't direct it to any specific person. (And I think Muslims on this forum are regularly described in offensive tones — nobody seems to mind:shrug:.)

You gave a good answer. And yes, we don't agree otherwise.
 

Pawpatrol

Active Member
Again I don't expect much from Hamas supporters. Israel has subdued the rabid dog that is Hamas and they have no reason to release it.
Subdued? The IDF is taking videos of themselves walking in formation and shooting at empty walls pretending they're playing the live version of CS.

The Hamas fighters are walking up to manned tanks alone, wearing slacks and t-shirts and placing bombs on top of tanks with their bare hands.

Israel has humiliated itself again and again in their laughable attempt at keep up appearances. Muslims are grief stricken by the situation in Gaza, but even they're holding their laughter while watching the IDF putting on their show day after day.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
Subdued? The IDF is taking videos of themselves walking in formation and shooting at empty walls pretending they're playing the live version of CS.

The Hamas fighters are walking up to manned tanks alone, wearing slacks and t-shirts and placing bombs on top of tanks with their bare hands.

Israel has humiliated itself again and again in their laughable attempt at keep up appearances. Muslims are grief stricken by the situation in Gaza, but even they're holding their laughter while watching the IDF putting on their show day after day.
As I said they've subdued a rabid dog. That's just how it is.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
It appears to me that you insinuated more than that by your inclusion of the word 'innocent' below. I can accept that my prior question may have been inaccurate due to my own conjecture.

The word "innocent" was taken from the post I was replying to.

@AsianActivist tried to discount Palestinian deaths by dismissing some as actual or potential combatants. What I was asking for, effectively, was an apples-to-apples comparison. If we're going to discount actual or potential combatants when we're talking about casualties, then we should do it equitably for both sides.

To make sure that I am interpreting your statement below correctly:


I think it would be insightful for you to clarify.

How many casualties do you think were civilians?
and
How many casualties do you think were 'innocent civilians'?
I don't know. More than zero, less than all.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Hamas reaps what it sows. When they decide to come into the 21st century life will get better for them. Until then their whining is just noise.
The IDF also reaps what it sows.

We can draw a straight line from Oct. 7, 2023 back to the protests of 2018 & 2019 and the lesson that peaceful protest by Palestinians will be met by deadly force.

 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
The IDF also reaps what it sows.

We can draw a straight line from Oct. 7, 2023 back to the protests of 2018 & 2019 and the lesson that peaceful protest by Palestinians will be met by deadly force.

And? I don't really care. What I care about is having to watch people wail about Palestinian deaths without much concern for Jewish deaths. Israel is the only country that's not allowed to defend itself. Hamas will be satisfied with nothing less than the complete annihilation of Israel. They don't live in the 21st century. My sympathies for them are weak.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
And? I don't really care. What I care about is having to watch people wail about Palestinian deaths without much concern for Jewish deaths.

Anyone who considers all life to be precious equally will wail much louder for 40,000+ Gazans dead and nearly half a million Gazans at extreme risk of famine than they will for the 300+ IDF soldiers killed over the same period.

Israel is the only country that's not allowed to defend itself.

The actions in Gaza aren't about self-defense.

Hamas will be satisfied with nothing less than the complete annihilation of Israel. They don't live in the 21st century. My sympathies for them are weak.
You have that backward: Israel will be satisfied with nothing but the complete annihilation of Gaza.

... and the evidence for this is the past nearly-a-year of the IDF annihilating Gaza.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
Anyone who considers all life to be precious equally will wail much louder for 40,000+ Gazans dead and nearly half a million Gazans at extreme risk of famine than they will for the 300+ IDF soldiers killed over the same period.



The actions in Gaza aren't about self-defense.


You have that backward: Israel will be satisfied with nothing but the complete annihilation of Gaza.

... and the evidence for this is the past nearly-a-year of the IDF annihilating Gaza.
Incorrect. Hamas has publicly stated there desire to eliminate Israel. Show me where israel did such a thing.
 

Pawpatrol

Active Member
Incorrect. Hamas has publicly stated there desire to eliminate Israel. Show me where israel did such a thing.
In leaked documents that I'm too disinterested to start looking for, but it was in the news.

But who cares what they say? Afaik nobody. They've lost all credibility. US is with them as a mere business transaction and frankly, is taking advantage of "Israel". Do you think the Jews were put there out of sympathy? People are way too selfish to go out of their way to make a "land" for Jews, or for anybody really out of sympathy. Nobody cares. Unless they have a reason to — something beyond, poor you, poor you.
 
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