AsianActivist
Member
If the arab terrorists hadn't murdered 1400 innocent Jewish civilians (including hundreds of women and children) during the October 7th Pogrom, how many casualties would there be in Gaza today?
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A simple question for hamas supporter's
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Considerably less, the IDF kills around 150 to 200 Palestinians a year, not sure about casualties.
anotherneil
Well-Known Member
Good luck finding Hamas supporters on this forum; I don't think there are any: Are you pro-Hamas or a supporter of Hamas?
AsianActivist
Member
Just because they claim they don't doesn't necessarily mean they don't approve of Hamas' genocidal intentions against innocent Jewish people.
How many of those 150 to 200 are truly innocent civilians, as opposed to terrorists?
From my experience i would say most of them. Ans statistically too
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
It also doesn't necessarily mean they do approve of it. It's like saying that pro-Israeli people who say they don't approve of genocidal intentions against Palestinians may actually approve of the idea. They also truly may not.
That may not matter. Even if all of them were terrorists, which is unlikely, people don't like seeing people killed on a regular basis by a more powerful group. Regardless, it does answer your original question by giving some numbers of casualties.
How many of the Oct. 7 casualties were truly innocent civilians?
My understanding is that most adult Israeli citizens are reservists. Members of the military aren't civilians.
anotherneil
Well-Known Member
I never made any claim or referenced anything pertaining to anyone approving of genocidal intentions against innocent Jewish people by Hamas.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, it is not that simple. As I recall it, even soldiers can in some cases be considered non-combatants.
Wow! One has to stoop disgustingly low to peddle the Israelis are Free Game argument.
(Others may which to scan the bios of folks so nonchalantly dismissed by @9-10ths_Penguin -- perhaps beginning with Vivian Silver.)
anotherneil
Well-Known Member
How about the Palestinian men, women, and children who never participated in any sort of violent or militant action against Israel and were slaughtered by Israeli aggression prior to October 7th, and the very heavy-handed and indiscriminate attacks on Gaza following the October 7th incident? I'm pretty sure it's reasonable to consider them non-combatants.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, but there are also international rules in practice for collateral damage, so all non-combatants killed in war are not illegal if you acts these rules.
Edit: Accept, not acts.
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anotherneil
Well-Known Member
I don't understand what you mean by "if you acts these rules" - by "acts", did you actually mean to write accept, apply, comply? Please clarify.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yes, accept
^ Note the despicable, albeit predictable, pivot giving zero consideration to the men, women, and children who were victims of the pogrom.
They should be investigated and, where appropriate, prosecuted as egregious war crimes against humanity.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, I don't support any one side over the other, as I in effect believe in a 2 state solution.
But I am not going to debate the actual crimes if any of any of the 2 sides, because it leads nowhere in practice as it ends in a blame game.
In other words, there is no justice in this conflict, unless a compromise is found, because if only one side is favored, then we end in: But the other side is wrong.
Comparatively few. Therefore?
The concurrent question is:
If the Israeli regime did not demonstrate egregiously callous disregard for collateral damage, how many Palestinian "civilians (including hundreds of women and children)" would have faced, and continue to face, the carnage unleashed in the wake of October 7th?
Again, comparatively few. Therefore?
Are you openly taking the stance that most adult Israelis are legitimate targets?
Sometimes I hit the "see ignored posts" button in case I'm missing substantial conversation in a thread. It's generally a mistake.
If you're bound and determined to run off half-cocked, you do you, but I'll just point out that to get from "reservists are part of the military" and "most Israelis are reservists" to "Israelis are fair game," you need another assumption: that it's always okay to target any member of the military. This assumption came from you, not me, so maybe reflect on where you got it from.
No, I'm taking the position that a civilian is someone who isn't in the military.