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A simple question for hamas supporter's

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Ignatius A

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Pawpatrol said:
In leaked documents that I'm too disinterested to start looking for, but it was in the news.

But who cares what they say? Afaik nobody. They've lost all credibility. US is with them as a mere business transaction and frankly, is taking advantage of "Israel". Do you think the Jews were put there out of sympathy? People are way too selfish to go out of their way to make a "land" for Jews, or for anybody really out of sympathy. Nobody cares. Unless they have a reason to — something beyond, poor you, poor you.
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What are you talking about? It's not an linked document. If you can think and do your own research you can learn things different then what your handlers give you

www.middleeasteye.net

Hamas in 2017: The document in full

Hamas explains general principles and objectives in 42-article document
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net
 
HonestJoe

HonestJoe

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AsianActivist said:
If the arab terrorists hadn't murdered 1400 innocent Jewish civilians (including hundreds of women and children) during the October 7th Pogrom, how many casualties would there be in Gaza today?
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Probably fewer, unlikely zero. How many would have died if the Israeli government hadn't responded with their scorched earth policy?

It's not as if this conflict started on October 7th though. You could go back and forth with dozens of different events, attacks, policies etc. from multiple parties, going all the way back to the early 1900s (when we Brits got involved with our false sense of colonial superiority). The "who started it" argument achieves less that nothing by now.

By the way, I don't support Hamas in any way, though I don't support the current Israeli government too. I do support the people of the region though, regardless of their race, religion or nationality, especially all the ones who are perfectly capable of getting on with each other as long as they aren't forced to dodge bullets to do so.
 
Pawpatrol

Pawpatrol

Active Member
Ignatius A said:
What are you talking about? It's not an linked document. If you can think and do your own research you can learn things different then what your handlers give you

www.middleeasteye.net

Hamas in 2017: The document in full

Hamas explains general principles and objectives in 42-article document
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net
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I'm talking about IDF. Not Hamas. I don't know what you're talking about and I don't have time to read that. But I'm well aware of the intentions of Hamas.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
AsianActivist said:
If the arab terrorists hadn't murdered 1400 innocent Jewish civilians (including hundreds of women and children) during the October 7th Pogrom, how many casualties would there be in Gaza today?
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Nonsense. First of all, you need to get up to date as the number was revised months and months ago to 1,139 people, because they realized that over a few hundred of the dead were Palestinians who were burnt beyond recognition (not by Palestinians), so they couldn't be identified at first. Hundreds of the casualties of them were IDF/security, too. They wiped out a few bases or so.

Something that is not so talked about is how the Israelis killed who knows how many of those people. They shelled a kibbutz with a tank, killing a bunch of civilians and were indiscriminately firing upon people (including with helicopters with missiles) fleeing from the Nova Festival and those fleeing back to Gaza from the breaches in the border, both Palestinian and Israeli, Hamas or not. Not all of the people who poured into Israel through the breaches in the fences were Hamas, either. Those fences were wide open and it was just random people running in. Even a crippled old man hobbled his butt in. I saw all the footage of this. It's there on YouTube for all to see, in documentaries about that day.

prospect.org

What Really Happened on October 7?

And why, wonders a new Al Jazeera documentary, did the media go to such lengths to concoct gruesome X-rated versions of an attack that was harrowing enough to begin with?
prospect.org prospect.org
 
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anotherneil

anotherneil

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mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
anotherneil said:
Well, I was already more or less doing this when I said that what you were saying was inconsistent here: A simple question for hamas supporter's
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Okay, that was not my intent. I accept the laws of war and I want my country to follow them. That is it for war crimes and all that. And yes, there is more in a wider context.
If that to you is inconsistent as to what you asked for and what not, then so be it. I am having a hard time understanding you, so just accept that and if you have to point out once more that I was inconsistent, then do so. I am done for now.
 
anotherneil

anotherneil

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mikkel_the_dane said:
Okay, that was not my intent. I accept the laws of war and I want my country to follow them. That is it for war crimes and all that. And yes, there is more in a wider context.
If that to you is inconsistent as to what you asked for and what not, then so be it. I am having a hard time understanding you, so just accept that and if you have to point out once more that I was inconsistent, then do so. I am done for now.
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Ok, then I'll try a different approach: if something that is illegal is happening, then that would be a problem. If you agree that something that is happening is not illegal, then I would expect you to see that there is no problem, but you're suggesting that there is a problem. What is the problem if the agreement is that it's not illegal? I, myself, am not understanding you.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
anotherneil said:
Ok, then I'll try a different approach: if something that is illegal is happening, then that would be a problem. If you agree that something that is happening is not illegal, then I would expect you to see that there is no problem, but you're suggesting that there is a problem. What is the problem if the agreement is that it's not illegal? I, myself, am not understanding you.
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I think it is possible that something illegal is going on. But yes, that is subjective and relative and there is no universal agreement on it being legal or illegal.
 
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Ignatius A

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anotherneil said:
Oh, ok.
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You need to know that poster has no issue with some people committing war crimes. In fact that poster even wants the victims of some war crimes to accept they will be the victims of continued war crimes. On top of that they don't even want you to mention the war crimes. It's fascinating stuff.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Ignatius A said:
You need to know that poster has no issue with some people committing war crimes. In fact that poster even wants the victims of some war crimes to accept they will be the victims of continued war crimes. On top of that they don't even want you to mention the war crimes. It's fascinating stuff.
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That is not true.
I take issue with all war crimes and I will point them out. So please retract your post or back it up with breaking the rules.
 
anotherneil

anotherneil

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Israeli protests against Netanyahu are huge! See video footage in this podcast; he mentions a bunch of other important things as well, so it's worth listening to the entire thing:

 
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