A solution to information loss paradox in black holes

[questfortruth]

POP-SCIENCE INTRODUCTION:

MY IDEA:

There are two levels of nature description: macro and micro. On the macro level, the paradox arises because any kind of stuff, which falls into Black Holes, ends up in the same outcome: the black body radiation spectrum of particles. Thus, at this level of description, the "unitarity" of Quantum Mechanics becomes broken.

But I argue, that happens transition of information from macro to micro level. The information becomes encoded into micro-level: the position of particles of the black body radiation field.

SUPPORTING FACT:

The entropy of the cosmos grows. Thus, at the macro-level, all become homogeneous disorder: "the thermal death". But the information remains: the growth of entropy does not influence the amount of information there (only Black Holes do influence).

CONSEQUENCE to Christian Theology:

If the information does not become lost, then the sinners can not trash and nihilate their bodies using Black Holes (in try to escape the resurrection of the dead at the Judgement Day).

Author of the ideas: Dmitri Martila, 23.september 2020.

Plus, I for one, do not believe all will be raised from the dead.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:13-14

If there's a God who can raise the dead it doesn't seem likely he'd be limited by a black hole.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Matthew 5:17 NIV

 

[Howard Is]

CONSEQUENCE to Christian Theology:

If the information does not become lost, then the sinners can not trash and nihilate their bodies using Black Holes (in try to escape the resurrection of the dead at the Judgement Day).

Well, there goes my escape plan.

 

[LightofTruth]

If there's a God who can raise the dead it doesn't seem likely he'd be limited by a black hole.
Plus, I for one, do not believe all will be raised from the dead.

 

[questfortruth]

Well, there goes my escape plan.

 

[questfortruth]

Plus, I for one, do not believe all will be raised from the dead.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:13-14

If there's a God who can raise the dead it doesn't seem likely he'd be limited by a black hole.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Matthew 5:17 NIV

 

[Howard Is]

 

[viole]

the growth of entropy does not influence the amount of information there (only Black Holes do influence).

Since entropy and information are the same thing, I wonder how that is supposed to work.

i sense a high degree of Ultracrepidariamism in the OP.

ciao

- viole

 

[questfortruth]

Since entropy and information are the same thing, I wonder how that is supposed to work.

It is somewhat complicated logic:
1. Fact: entropy increases.
2. Fact: Quantum Mechanics has the conservation of information.
3. Fact: in the exception of Black Holes no loss of information is theoretically found.
4. Conclusion: the growth of entropy does not influence the amount of information (only Black Holes can influence).

 

[viole]

It is somewhat complicated logic:
1. Fact: entropy increases.
2. Fact: Quantum Mechanics has the conservation of information.
3. Fact: in the exception of Black Holes no loss of information is theoretically found.
4. Conclusion: the growth of entropy does not influence the amount of information (only Black Holes can influence).

Again, entropy and information are the same thing. So, it is not really clear what your point is. You look very confused.

ciao

- viole

 

[questfortruth]

i sense a high degree of Ultracrepidariamism in the OP.

I am a top specialist in Physics, Math, and Religion: etis.ee, user: Dmitri Martila.

 

[questfortruth]

entropy and information are the same thing

Entropy is not information, but the measure of disorder.

 

[viole]

Entropy is not information, but the measure of disorder.

Nonsense. A perfectly ordered thing has much less information than a totally disordered one.

what has more information.

10101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101

Or

1100010000101000101110010001111001001100011111001

?

ciao

- viole

 

[questfortruth]

Nonsense. A perfectly ordered thing has much less information than a totally disordered one.

what has more information.

10101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101

Or

1100010000101000101110010001111001001100011111001

?

ciao

- viole

If entropy is information, then information becomes changed not only by Black Holes. Why is then information loss paradox? I mean, if the information does not conserve even at Earth.

 

[viole]

If entropy is information, then information becomes changed not only by Black Holes. Why is then information loss paradox? I mean, if the information does not conserve even at Earth.

Well, since you are addressing Black Holes, that is easy to see, since all of Its information is “hidden” and it therefore corresponds to entropy precisely. The two things are totally equivalent.

in that case, the loss of information paradox is, macroscopically, equivalent to a consistent violation of the second principle. Which is also a sort of paradox, isn’t it? We do not lose entropy so often.

Ciao

- viole

 

[questfortruth]

Well, since you are addressing Black Holes, that is easy to see, since all of Its information is “hidden” and it therefore corresponds to entropy precisely. The two things are totally equivalent.

in that case, the loss of information paradox is, macroscopically, equivalent to a consistent violation of the second principle. Which is also a sort of paradox, isn’t it? We do not lose entropy so often.

Ciao

- viole

The Hawking says that the area S of the
event horizon is the entropy.
The mass of BH is the area S.
So, if stone and a book are of the same mass,
then they are of the same information?!

 

[viole]

The Hawking says that the area S of the
event horizon is the entropy.
The mass of BH is the area S.
So, if stone and a book are of the same mass,
then they are of the same information?!

At a fixed temperature yes. Since entropy is energy/T, and mass = energy, then if T is the same, the entropy is the same.

i don’t understand your question. That seems too trivial.

ciao

- viole

 

[Native]

MY IDEA:
There are two levels of nature description: macro and micro.

IMO there is just ONE level which combine both levels as micro makes the macro in a circuit of formation.

On the macro level, the paradox arises because any kind of stuff, which falls into Black Holes, ends up in the same outcome: the black body radiation spectrum of particles. Thus, at this level of description, the "unitarity" of Quantum Mechanics becomes broken.

This "quantum mechanics of black holes" is already broken on the hypothetic and theoretic scale as "something cannot disappear" in the Universe". The central holes/eyes in galaxies are just "funnels" of transformation and re-creation, a process very much like the motion around the eyes in Hurricanes.

The entropy of the cosmos grows.

This is a Big Bang approach but in fact, everything in the Universe undergoes an eternal change between formation, dissolution and reformation and as such, the Universe is eternal too.

 

[ChristineM]

I am a top specialist in Physics, Math, and Religion: etis.ee, user: Dmitri Martila.

Say what???

 

[night912]

I am a top specialist in Physics, Math, and Religion: etis.ee, user: Dmitri Martila.

Then how come you couldn't grasp the simple concept of ohm's law. I refuted your supposed "hypothesis" without doing any math. All it took was a resistor to resist any further spread of that nonsense.

Just like the Borg, you were wrong. Resistance is not futile.

BTW,
I'm not an electrical engineer, I was just able to grasp that concept from when took electrical engineering 101 back in high school, some 20+ years ago. Shocking, isn't it? Well, unless if you have the proper materials, then it wouldn't be.

PS
Remember to get your idea peer reviewed first. By that I mean your peers in here. Like you, a lot of us are not top specialist in Physics, Math, and Religion, so if you cannot even pass our reviews, there's no need to experience another rejection from a scientific journal.

 

[Native]

PS
Remember to get your idea peer reviewed first. By that I mean your peers in here. Like you, a lot of us are not top specialist in Physics, Math, and Religion, so if you cannot even pass our reviews, there's no need to experience another rejection from a scientific journal.

Without completely agreeing with @questfortruth in all his ideas, the peer review process is not that easy as it is administrated and moderated by consensus scientists who very seldomly have the skills of looking outside "the squared box issues" in a given article and therefore reject such articles, whether the issues are valid or not.