A speaker of the way

[zenzero]

friends,

A SPEAKER OF THE WAY
The Buddha was asked:
-To what extent can a person be a speaker of the way?

He answered:
-If a person teaches the way in order to transcend the tyranny of the
material things and to teach how to transcend feelings, perceptions,
impulses, and consciousness - teaching nonattachments with regard
to these - then that person can be called a speaker of the way.

If he is himself trying to transcend the pull of the material world and
feel nonattachment toward it, then it is fitting to say he is living in
accordance with the way.

If he is liberated by this transcendance an nonattachment,
then you can say he has found nirvana here and now.

Love & rgds

 

[Thief]

Yeah....but....

Surrendering all that is at hand....
Surrendering your sense of attachment...
All in the pursuit of nirvana...

What then have you gained?
Care to describe nirvana?
Is it different than heaven?

 

[zenzero]

Friend Thief,,

Surrendering all that is at hand....
Surrendering your sense of attachment...
If am present as an *I* then such a question MAY come, but am only a part of the whole and so never have anything to surrender.
Besides attachments if any are only found to be those of the MIND.

What then have you gained?
Again the question of someone around has to be there to gain or lose and being a part of the *whole*, never have anything to lose neither is anything greater than the *whole* to be gained.

Care to describe nirvana?
Is it different than heaven?

Words falsify as there is nothing to describe.
Heaven? well what is that?

Love & rgds

 

[Thief]

Your quoting techniques will confuse other participants.

Your words are boxed in with my words.

Your first post is an obvious....
Surrender all to gain all.

I then see no difference in your offering as compared to mine.

Jesus said...
'Sell what you have, give to the poor, and then follow me.'
'Give half of what you have to anyone who would ask.'
'What has a man gained should he have the world....but lose his soul?'

Just to be fair...I am a rogue theologian.
I quote the Carpenter only on rare occasions.
Usually so that the discussion may continue.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Thief,

Sorry, quoting technique was a slip, accepted.

I then see no difference in your offering as compared to mine.

Silence is golden, when understood, questions do not remain.

Love & rgds

 

[Thief]

Friend Thief,

Sorry, quoting technique was a slip, accepted.


Silence is golden, when understood, questions do not remain.

Love & rgds

So you want to drop the discussion?

 

[zenzero]

Friend Thief,

So you want to drop the discussion?

Discussions are always of the MIND,
HERE-NOW!
it all about the No-mind or the Still thoughts!

Love & rgds

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

Words can be used to help one find the way to Nirvana, but fail to express what Nirvana is, or any concept of Heaven, they are something which must be experienced to gain a perspective of.

To surrender all and what is gained: peace.

 

[zenzero]

Friend HH,

Words can be used to help one find the way to Nirvana, but fail to express what Nirvana is, or any concept of Heaven, they are something which must be experienced to gain a perspective of.

To surrender all and what is gained: peace.

Once again; TRUE!

Love & rgds

 

[Thief]

Now we need a definition for peace.

Can't have a thread without words!

 

[zenzero]

Friend Thief,
You miss the point.
Words falsify.
That is the reason Lao Tzu never wanted to write Tao Te Ching but when compelled he did so but started with the stanza that words falsify.
Words are used only for an understanding and when understanding is there there is Silence and that silence is peace!

Love & rgds

 

[Thief]

Friend Thief,
You miss the point.
Words falsify.
That is the reason Lao Tzu never wanted to write Tao Te Ching but when compelled he did so but started with the stanza that words falsify.
Words are used only for an understanding and when understanding is there there is Silence and that silence is peace!

Love & rgds

You are negating the thread.

You can't have an understanding without expression.
If the words used falsify the expression you cannot make any statement.

If silence is the only expression....you first.

 

[Silver]

*deleted*

 

[zenzero]

Friend Thief,

Peace can only be found WITHIN;
What you are discussing is labelled *NOISE* or CHAOS!

Love & rgds

 

[Thief]

Friend Thief,

Peace can only be found WITHIN;
What you are discussing is labelled *NOISE* or CHAOS!

Love & rgds

And are you not making 'noise'?

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

You are negating the thread.

You can't have an understanding without expression.
If the words used falsify the expression you cannot make any statement.

If silence is the only expression....you first.

You can understand something without expression, but conveying/expressing that understanding can be difficult and faulty. Word are inadequate. Look at how many languages are spoken. Which one grants the clearest meaning when used to express?

Silence is the only adequate expression as it does not fault the concept. It is a doorway to experience what you are seeking. If you cannot experience it, all the words in the world cannot tell you what it is.

Use silence to explore yourself to find what* is expressed through this silence.

*Edit, yeah, I missed a word, haha. See, language fails again

 

[zenzero]

Friend Thief,

And are you not making 'noise'?

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You keep missing the point.
Who is kicking the *dust*?
Be settled and the picture will be clear on its own accord; are you following the pointer?

One needs to meditate and allow the thoughts to settle down for truth to be visible!

Love & rgds

 

[zenzero]

Friend HH,

TRUE!

Love & rgds

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Now we need a definition for peace.

Can't provide one for Divine peace for IT is beyond conceptual understanding.

Can't have a thread without words!

But can have a thread about the inability of words to convey/transmit actual reality.

 

[Ozzie]

Can't provide one for Divine peace for IT is beyond conceptual understanding.



But can have a thread about the inability of words to convey/transmit actual reality.

But it doesn't belong here as is philosophical speculation.