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A tale of three Californian states

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

"California residents will get a chance to vote on a measure to divide the Golden State into three separate states, election officials said Tuesday.

Proponents of the CAL 3 initiative submitted more than 402,468 valid signatures as of Tuesday, making it eligible for the Nov. 6 general election ballot, according to the California Secretary of State’s office.

The office did not say exactly how many total signatures were submitted, but backers said the petition drew more than 600,000 from residents across the state’s 58 counties, dwarfing the 365,000 signatures required to qualify for the ballot.

Adding the initiative to the ballot would be the first step in a long process that would ultimately require approval from Congress.

The proposal, led by venture capitalist Tim Draper, would split the country’s most populous state into three new states of near-equal population: Northern California, California and Southern California, according to the proposal.

Northern California would include cities between the Bay Area and the Oregon border. Southern California would begin in Fresno and cover most of the southern state. The "new" California would cover Los Angeles County and much of the coast below San Francisco Bay, the proposal said.

California Secretary of State Alex Padilla will certify the initiative as qualified for the November ballot on June 28, his office said Tuesday.

Draper proposed similar measures in 2012 and 2014, but those efforts failed after election officials invalidated many of the signatures collected.

“The unanimous support for CAL 3 from all 58 of California’s counties to reach this unprecedented milestone in the legislative process is the signal that across California, we are united behind CAL 3 to create a brighter future for everyone,” Draper said in a statement in April after the signatures were collected.

Draper says the spilt would create three separate governments, boost education and infrastructure, and lower taxes, but critics claim it could do more harm than good.

“It’s not like you’re starting from scratch, you have to blow up everything,” Steven Maviglio, who helped defeat Draper’s previous effort, told local reporters earlier this year. “There are so many fundamentally flawed aspects to this.”

Source: Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

All I can say this is the result of:

1) Creating more senate and congressional seats.

2) Gerrymandering

3) Racial separation and more splitting up of the haves and have nots.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
All I can say this is the result of:

1) Creating more senate and congressional seats.

2) Gerrymandering

3) Racial separation and more splitting up of the haves and have nots.
I wonder which would win more seats dems or pubs if there were three Californias?
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
This could create more votes for Democrats particularly in the senate.

I live in what would be in the Northern California state or simply Northern California.

I agree with the idea. In a state as big as California, not all state-wide mandates help all its locations. Having smaller governing bodies and focus is better, IMO.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
My advice would be to merge all 50 states into one big state. That would save a lot of money and headaches.
I don't think that would work, they would need to partition in some way particular economic/geographical areas anyway like any country I know of does. Could lose those strange differences in laws though for benefit of your country..
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

"California residents will get a chance to vote on a measure to divide the Golden State into three separate states, election officials said Tuesday.

Proponents of the CAL 3 initiative submitted more than 402,468 valid signatures as of Tuesday, making it eligible for the Nov. 6 general election ballot, according to the California Secretary of State’s office.

The office did not say exactly how many total signatures were submitted, but backers said the petition drew more than 600,000 from residents across the state’s 58 counties, dwarfing the 365,000 signatures required to qualify for the ballot.

Adding the initiative to the ballot would be the first step in a long process that would ultimately require approval from Congress.

The proposal, led by venture capitalist Tim Draper, would split the country’s most populous state into three new states of near-equal population: Northern California, California and Southern California, according to the proposal.

Northern California would include cities between the Bay Area and the Oregon border. Southern California would begin in Fresno and cover most of the southern state. The "new" California would cover Los Angeles County and much of the coast below San Francisco Bay, the proposal said.

California Secretary of State Alex Padilla will certify the initiative as qualified for the November ballot on June 28, his office said Tuesday.

Draper proposed similar measures in 2012 and 2014, but those efforts failed after election officials invalidated many of the signatures collected.

“The unanimous support for CAL 3 from all 58 of California’s counties to reach this unprecedented milestone in the legislative process is the signal that across California, we are united behind CAL 3 to create a brighter future for everyone,” Draper said in a statement in April after the signatures were collected.

Draper says the spilt would create three separate governments, boost education and infrastructure, and lower taxes, but critics claim it could do more harm than good.

“It’s not like you’re starting from scratch, you have to blow up everything,” Steven Maviglio, who helped defeat Draper’s previous effort, told local reporters earlier this year. “There are so many fundamentally flawed aspects to this.”

Source: Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

All I can say this is the result of:

1) Creating more senate and congressional seats.

2) Gerrymandering

3) Racial separation and more splitting up of the haves and have nots.

More power to them if its what the voters want. From what I have seen about this ,is that the more traditional/conservative north wants to separate from the more liberal south. I think they should be able to vote on it.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Hmm....

Massive population in the smaller area of what would be California.

G0041-california-still-x16x9+-+Copy.png


I wonder how the economics will play out?

Which areas generate the most tax revenue?
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Hmm....

Massive population in the smaller area of what would be California.

G0041-california-still-x16x9+-+Copy.png


I wonder how the economics will play out?

Which areas generate the most tax revenue?

The smaller area that contains LA, would have to be a lot more responsible with their tax revenue.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
They've tried something similar in my area. Residents of the Oklahoma and Texas panhandles have petitioned to join together into a separate state before. Never got anywhere though.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Cool! According to the map, if the measure goes through Santa Barbara will have beaches on both sides of the mountains!

G0041-california-still-x16x9+-+Copy.png
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

"California residents will get a chance to vote on a measure to divide the Golden State into three separate states, election officials said Tuesday.

Proponents of the CAL 3 initiative submitted more than 402,468 valid signatures as of Tuesday, making it eligible for the Nov. 6 general election ballot, according to the California Secretary of State’s office.

The office did not say exactly how many total signatures were submitted, but backers said the petition drew more than 600,000 from residents across the state’s 58 counties, dwarfing the 365,000 signatures required to qualify for the ballot.

Adding the initiative to the ballot would be the first step in a long process that would ultimately require approval from Congress.

The proposal, led by venture capitalist Tim Draper, would split the country’s most populous state into three new states of near-equal population: Northern California, California and Southern California, according to the proposal.

Northern California would include cities between the Bay Area and the Oregon border. Southern California would begin in Fresno and cover most of the southern state. The "new" California would cover Los Angeles County and much of the coast below San Francisco Bay, the proposal said.

California Secretary of State Alex Padilla will certify the initiative as qualified for the November ballot on June 28, his office said Tuesday.

Draper proposed similar measures in 2012 and 2014, but those efforts failed after election officials invalidated many of the signatures collected.

“The unanimous support for CAL 3 from all 58 of California’s counties to reach this unprecedented milestone in the legislative process is the signal that across California, we are united behind CAL 3 to create a brighter future for everyone,” Draper said in a statement in April after the signatures were collected.

Draper says the spilt would create three separate governments, boost education and infrastructure, and lower taxes, but critics claim it could do more harm than good.

“It’s not like you’re starting from scratch, you have to blow up everything,” Steven Maviglio, who helped defeat Draper’s previous effort, told local reporters earlier this year. “There are so many fundamentally flawed aspects to this.”

Source: Proposal to split California into three states makes November ballot

All I can say this is the result of:

1) Creating more senate and congressional seats.

2) Gerrymandering

3) Racial separation and more splitting up of the haves and have nots.


Can you provide supporting evidence of your three assertions? I don't have a dog in this fight, but seems you need to support your assertions.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
If taxes are cheaper in Southern Cali vs Cali Cali or vice versa, Gas, food, housing could be much cheaper just down the road.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
This proposal is silly.

What I want is to be able to buy a fractional share of my Congressman and Senator. Why should the wealthy have all the fun. If I could find enough like-minded individuals, we could own one whole rep all to ourselves and that person would have to listen to us instead of the lobbyists.
 
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