A Theory of Trump Kompromat

[sun rise]

After reading this, I've changed my mind about Trump and Putin. I don't know if it's 100% accurate or not but it certainly does explain quite a bit.

A Theory of Trump Kompromat
Why the President is so nice to Putin, even when Putin might not want him to be.
https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/swamp-chronicles/a-theory-of-trump-kompromat

There is no need to assume that Trump was a formal agent of Russian intelligence to make sense of Trump’s solicitousness toward Putin. Keith Darden, an international-relations professor at American University, has studied the Russian use of kompromat—compromising material—and told me that he thinks it is likely that the President believes the Russians have something on him.
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Ledeneva argued that wealth and power are distributed through networks of political figures and businesspeople who follow unspoken rules, in an informal hierarchy that she calls the sistema, or system in English. Sistema has a few clear rules—do not defy Putin being the most obvious one—and a toolkit for controlling potentially errant members. It is primarily a system of ambiguity.
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The scenario that, to my mind, makes the most sense of the given facts and requires the fewest fantastical leaps is that, a decade or so ago, Trump, naïve, covetous, and struggling for cash, may have laundered money for a business partner from the former Soviet Union or engaged in some other financial crime.
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Trump and many of his defenders have declared his businesses, including those in the former Soviet Union, to be off-limits to the Mueller investigation.

 

[Stanyon]

I guess since the collusion narrative fell through we need to dig this one back up. I believe Brennan was the first to talk about kompromat but when further questioned he admitted his conclusion was not based on any facts or evidence. Then we had the Steele dossier which seasoned intelligence professionals dismissed out of hand because of some very simple errors but that does not change the fact that this popular fantasy will continue to be reported on.

 

[Estro Felino]

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There is no need to assume that Trump was a formal agent of Russian intelligence to make sense of Trump’s solicitousness toward Putin. Keith Darden, an international-relations professor at American University, has studied the Russian use of kompromat—compromising material—and told me that he thinks it is likely that the President believes the Russians have something on him.
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Just one thing: I believe Hillary is a war criminal who belongs in jail.

You believe a president of a country with a modest GDP has some compromising material on Trump.

What's the difference between u and me?

 

[Jumi]

Folks regularly seem to overcomplicate Russia and people tend to fall for it. It's like a mythical country to many where anything is possible, as long as it has Ivan Drago like qualities and less babushkas.

 

[Quetzal]

I guess since the collusion narrative fell through we need to dig this one back up.

It didn't fall through.

 

[Father Heathen]

I guess since the collusion narrative fell through we need to dig this one back up. I believe Brennan was the first to talk about kompromat but when further questioned he admitted his conclusion was not based on any facts or evidence. Then we had the Steele dossier which seasoned intelligence professionals dismissed out of hand because of some very simple errors but that does not change the fact that this popular fantasy will continue to be reported on.

Trump is down on his knees, licking the boots of a tyrant only because he likes the taste, that's all.

 

[Stanyon]

Now we have claims of hacking against so far unnamed politicians in the lead up to mid-terms. A recent bbc report states that it is an attempt to undermine democracy and private emails were targeted because using them could be a way to make targets look bad, again Russia was blamed. The funny thing is that the hacking of congress and private emails is exactly what Brennan did.

 

[Revoltingest]

I guess since the collusion narrative fell through we need to dig this one back up. I believe Brennan was the first to talk about kompromat but when further questioned he admitted his conclusion was not based on any facts or evidence. Then we had the Steele dossier which seasoned intelligence professionals dismissed out of hand because of some very simple errors but that does not change the fact that this popular fantasy will continue to be reported on.

Who needs facts when suspicions can be proffered as news, eh.

 

[Stanyon]

Who needs facts when suspicions can be proffered as news, eh.

And as an added bonus if one says the same thing over and over and you have a willing and compliant media to echo it, it can become a real thing!

 

[Sleeppy]

I guess since the collusion narrative fell through we need to dig this one back up. I believe Brennan was the first to talk about kompromat but when further questioned he admitted his conclusion was not based on any facts or evidence. Then we had the Steele dossier which seasoned intelligence professionals dismissed out of hand because of some very simple errors but that does not change the fact that this popular fantasy will continue to be reported on.

Who needs facts when suspicions can be proffered as news, eh.

And as an added bonus if one says the same thing over and over and you have a willing and compliant media to echo it, it can become a real thing!

The same Steele dossier that so far has partly been corroborated? Hmm..

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/26/5887...out-russia-memo-mania-minority-report-edition

 

[bobhikes]

After reading this, I've changed my mind about Trump and Putin. I don't know if it's 100% accurate or not but it certainly does explain quite a bit.

A Theory of Trump Kompromat
Why the President is so nice to Putin, even when Putin might not want him to be.
https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/swamp-chronicles/a-theory-of-trump-kompromat

There is no need to assume that Trump was a formal agent of Russian intelligence to make sense of Trump’s solicitousness toward Putin. Keith Darden, an international-relations professor at American University, has studied the Russian use of kompromat—compromising material—and told me that he thinks it is likely that the President believes the Russians have something on him.
...
Ledeneva argued that wealth and power are distributed through networks of political figures and businesspeople who follow unspoken rules, in an informal hierarchy that she calls the sistema, or system in English. Sistema has a few clear rules—do not defy Putin being the most obvious one—and a toolkit for controlling potentially errant members. It is primarily a system of ambiguity.
...
The scenario that, to my mind, makes the most sense of the given facts and requires the fewest fantastical leaps is that, a decade or so ago, Trump, naïve, covetous, and struggling for cash, may have laundered money for a business partner from the former Soviet Union or engaged in some other financial crime.
...
Trump and many of his defenders have declared his businesses, including those in the former Soviet Union, to be off-limits to the Mueller investigation.

My Theory on Trump is that his personal wealth is all that matters and Putin has promised him the ability to put up Buildings and Sell under the Trump name same as The Saudi Princes. The only Reason he is turning on Canada, Europe and China is because they are blocking him. Its not about whats best for the US, its about what's best for Trump. The ad he showed Kim Jong Un was like the real estate ads for time shares.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

After reading this, I've changed my mind about Trump and Putin. I don't know if it's 100% accurate or not but it certainly does explain quite a bit.

A Theory of Trump Kompromat
Why the President is so nice to Putin, even when Putin might not want him to be.
https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/swamp-chronicles/a-theory-of-trump-kompromat

There is no need to assume that Trump was a formal agent of Russian intelligence to make sense of Trump’s solicitousness toward Putin. Keith Darden, an international-relations professor at American University, has studied the Russian use of kompromat—compromising material—and told me that he thinks it is likely that the President believes the Russians have something on him.
...
Ledeneva argued that wealth and power are distributed through networks of political figures and businesspeople who follow unspoken rules, in an informal hierarchy that she calls the sistema, or system in English. Sistema has a few clear rules—do not defy Putin being the most obvious one—and a toolkit for controlling potentially errant members. It is primarily a system of ambiguity.
...
The scenario that, to my mind, makes the most sense of the given facts and requires the fewest fantastical leaps is that, a decade or so ago, Trump, naïve, covetous, and struggling for cash, may have laundered money for a business partner from the former Soviet Union or engaged in some other financial crime.
...
Trump and many of his defenders have declared his businesses, including those in the former Soviet Union, to be off-limits to the Mueller investigation.

Intriguing, to say the least!
What about Trumps own assets in Russia? Putin could threaten freezing them, or just outright take them! (It wouldn't be the first time, Putin seized assets of a foreign entity.)

What does Trump "own" in Russia? Does anyone here know? Like a 'Trump Plaza Hotel' in Moscow?

 

[Revoltingest]

The same Steele dossier that so far has partly been corroborated? Hmm..

From your link.....

The potential case that Donald Trump's campaign may have conspired with the Russian attack on the 2016 election has always been about more than the infamous dossier. Trump and his supporters deny colluding and make the dossier a favorite target because of its salacious contents and because it remained unverified.

NPR and other news organizations have not detailed the contents of the dossier because it remains unproven, but Schiff's memo suggests that the Justice Department actually has corroborated parts of it.

Which parts? That is blacked out. So there is no way to know whether it's some of the anodyne background aspects of the file — or the more infamous passages.

As we can see, "partly" indicates no hard facts for us to address.
So far, all we see is speculation being called evidence.
When you have proof of collusion, then we'll talk.

 

[bobhikes]

From your link.....

As we can see, "partly" indicates no hard facts for us to address.
So far, all we see is speculation being called evidence.
When you have proof of collusion, then we'll talk.

No because by then the communist regime will out law Free Speech.

 

[Sleeppy]

From your link.....

As we can see, "partly" indicates no hard facts for us to address.
So far, all we see is speculation being called evidence.
When you have proof of collusion, then we'll talk.

The 'partly' has nothing to do with your being able to examine evidence of an ongoing investigation. The evidence exists:

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act requires that warrants produce something. The FBI can't keep one going if the subject of the surveillance isn't talking with people of interest or involved with clandestine activities. Page evidently was.

 

[Revoltingest]

The 'partly' has nothing to do with your being able to examine evidence of an ongoing investigation. The evidence exists:

Let's see your evidence of collusion so we can discuss it.

 

[Sleeppy]

Let's see your evidence of collusion so we can discuss it.

Ongoing investigation.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ongoing investigation.

But you said there's evidence.
An investigation isn't evidence of anything other than an investigation seeking evidence.

 

[Sleeppy]

But you said there's evidence.
An investigation isn't evidence of anything other than an investigation seeking evidence.

See post #15.

There's also Rick Gates, former Trump campaign aid, who is pleading guilty on one count of conspiracy against the United States and one count of making false statements.

 

[Revoltingest]

See post #15.

There's also Rick Gates, former Trump campaign aid, who is pleading guilty on one count of conspiracy against the United States and one count of making false statements.

"Conspiracy" is a large term.
Do you have an excerpt from a cromulent link which states more
specifically conspiracy with Russians regarding the election?