A Universe from Nothing?

[gnostic]

Fact is nothing more than truthfulness.

No fact.

Fact required verification, thus evidences are needed.

Truth relate to a person's view, and such views can be influenced.

 

[ChristineM]

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I think these pseudo intellectual trolls are not the poor welfare trash on topix. I can tell these folks have some education as well as decent employment, and they're STILL complete MORONS! We are vastly outnumbered, i feel this now and sense there is no recourse. This is a one way ride to wherever it's going.
You should see Ben and Thief. They OWN this thread now. I can't begin to tell you how many of my bosses have been just like them and how many business owners, hiring and floor managers there are that are JUST the SAME way. Complete moron-thugs who are ALWAYS RIGHT.
Great Britain AND America have fallen.
Theology is now law by the majority.

Yes this is more cerebral than topix but there are still the uneducable masses.
I would not say own, it's like a cat spraying to think "that's mine"
The UK has taken a serious step backwards just to prop up a failing government, the PM has teamed up (for huge sums of taxpayers cash) with ex terrorists and creationist bigots. The uk had gone down the drain and i am so glad I'm out of it

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yep.
You and Ben are the WINNERS.

Fine, now be a good lad and step out of the way and leave it to the pros...

 

[Thief]

Nonsense. It is the only conclusion you are willing to accept because any of the alternatives kibosh your opinion.

As a great man (Michio Kaku) once said, "it depends on your interpretation of nothing.

Anyway why are you demanding proof from me when all you have is smoke and mirrors reflecting delusion?

You prove time existed before the bb, that is after all what your claim is.

I saw William Shatner (aka James T. Kirk) converse with Machio Kaku

seems to me....Kaku has not ruled out Greater Spirit

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It's time to let RF go down with the trolls.
It's time to give up and let America go to the Russians, Chinese, organized crime and terrorists.
It's time for North Korea to strike.
It's time for man to say goodbye.

Are you seriously trying to rally your followers to desert RF, shame on you, poor loser.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Nonsense. It is the only conclusion you are willing to accept because any of the alternatives kibosh your opinion.

As a great man (Michio Kaku) once said, "it depends on your interpretation of nothing.

Anyway why are you demanding proof from me when all you have is smoke and mirrors reflecting delusion?

You prove time existed before the bb, that is after all what your claim is.

Christine, stop changing the subject, maximum entropy does not mean absolute nothing, it is fake science..

 

[Ben Dhyan]

There is no such thing as truth
There is no such thing as facts
There is no such thing as time

Therefore logically what you have said is not true.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I think these pseudo intellectual trolls are not the poor welfare trash on topix. I can tell these folks have some education as well as decent employment, and they're STILL complete MORONS! We are vastly outnumbered, i feel this now and sense there is no recourse. This is a one way ride to wherever it's going.
You should see Ben and Thief. They OWN this thread now. I can't begin to tell you how many of my bosses have been just like them and how many business owners, hiring and floor managers there are that are JUST the SAME way. Complete moron-thugs who are ALWAYS RIGHT.
Great Britain AND America have fallen.
Theology is now law by the majority.

Please take a grip rego, Armageddon may be near but it ain't yet...

Here here..

 

[Ben Dhyan]

There is no such thing as evidence.
(drool)

Where is your proof?

 

[Willamena]

Truth relate to a person's view, and such views can be influenced.

A person's point of view is not truth. There is no truth value in stating a point of view.

 

[ChristineM]

Christine, stop changing the subject, maximum entropy does not mean absolute nothing, it is fake science..

Why are you making up bs and intimating it's from my posts?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Why are you making up bs and intimating it's from my posts?

You said..."however there is evidence that entropy is increasing and at maximum entropy nothing can exist." ..see your post #3890

 

[metis]

"Entropy" does not mean that energy/matter disappears, which would be in violation of the law of conservation of energy. Secondly, since this energy will always exist, even if "cold" (thinned out with minimum movement), it could possibly combine with other energy/matter forms.

Therefore, if there is indeed a multiverse that we're a part of, then this residual energy could be absorbed. Even if not, it'll still be somewhere.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

"Entropy" does not mean that energy/matter disappears, which would be in violation of the law of conservation of energy. Secondly, since this energy will always exist, even if "cold" (thinned out with minimum movement), it could possibly combine with other energy/matter forms.

Therefore, if there is indeed a multiverse that we're a part of, then this residual energy could be absorbed. Even if not, it'll still be somewhere.

Thank you metis, that was my point.

 

[ChristineM]

You said..."however there is evidence that entropy is increasing and at maximum entropy nothing can exist." ..see your post #3890

I have said ", "it depends on your interpretation of nothing."

It also depends on where you are standing, the ultimate fate of the universe is heat death (assuming no other catastrophe occurs first). I.e. the state of absolute maximum entropy. In that state individual photons will be moving from each other at such a rate that they will surpass the relative speed of light and therefore all that will be visible/measurable/detectable is the single photon that is the observation point.

Sure one single photon is not nothing but all around you, as far as can be seen is nothing

And i still see nothing regarding your evidence of events prior to the big bang

 

[ChristineM]

"Entropy" does not mean that energy/matter disappears, which would be in violation of the law of conservation of energy. Secondly, since this energy will always exist, even if "cold" (thinned out with minimum movement), it could possibly combine with other energy/matter forms.

Therefore, if there is indeed a multiverse that we're a part of, then this residual energy could be absorbed. Even if not, it'll still be somewhere.

See my post regarding heat death above.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I have said ", "it depends on your interpretation of nothing."

It also depends on where you are standing, the ultimate fate of the universe is heat death (assuming no other catastrophe occurs first). I.e. the state of absolute maximum entropy. In that state individual photons will be moving from each other at such a rate that they will surpass the relative speed of light and therefore all that will be visible/measurable/detectable is the single photon that is the observation point.

Sure one single photon is not nothing but all around you, as far as can be seen is nothing

And i still see nothing regarding your evidence of events prior to the big bang

Nothing in the context of a 'universe from nothing' means absolute nothing ie. a reality totally devoid of matter and energy. Maximum entropy does not mean there is nothing, do you understand and accept this?

I never claimed of there being "evidence of events prior to the big bang", but merely point out that if absolute nothing is not a credible rational scientific proposition, then there has always been 'something' existing.

 

[gnostic]

BilliardsBall.

I want to ask a question or two...

What do you think the Big Bang cosmology is all about?

What I mean by that, is - Do you think the Big Bang is about an "universe from nothing"?

 

[Thief]

science prefers the petri dish
the photo, the fingerprint, the equation and the repeatable experiment

don't wait for any of it

I believe the lack of decision leads to the grave
if you can't make a choice.....none will be made
and you follow your copy of a learning device back into ....'nothing'

 

[ChristineM]

Nothing in the context of a 'universe from nothing' means absolute nothing ie. a reality totally devoid of matter and energy. Maximum entropy does not mean there is nothing, do you understand and accept this?

I never claimed of there being "evidence of events prior to the big bang", but merely point out that if absolute nothing is not a credible rational scientific proposition, then there has always been 'something' existing.

So you are moving the goalposts now? You introduce a 'universe from nothing' to argue against head death? As to whether i accept it, read my post.

You claim it all the time with time is eternal. So explain how you know this when the the world's leading cosmologists don't know anything prior to the Planck epoch.