A Universe from Nothing?

[Corvus]

here is more

time is a measure.....of movement
It is a cognitive device created by Man to serve Man

it is not a force
it is not substance

it is a quotient on a chalkboard
it will never be more than that

Laughable, my prediction is vindicated.

Is space a force or a substance? You are devoid of understanding about the nature of physics and time.

''Time is one of the four dimensions that make up the fabric of reality we all exist in as entities of mass and energy. Be we stars or people or whatever. It is an intangible fundamental aspect of reality. It is real, it is relative, if time was simply an abstract invention, then there would be universal time as we thought pre General Relativity and Einstein's derived equations, there would be no Lorentz contraction, no time dilation...no black holes etc. Essentially it all boils down to the fact that the speed of light, distance over time, has to be a constant 299,000 or so m/s. Your physical presence distorts spacetime itself. We can observe and measure that distortion.''

 

[Polymath257]

BS. Descriptions of reality are not reality! Ultimately, the true nature of reality cannot be defined, but only directly experienced, without conceptual overlays in the way to confuse the mind, as yours is.

What we directly experience is not reality. Our senses are very far from being perfect.

 

[Polymath257]

You made no attempt to answer my question.."Describe this entity called time without involving measurement."...

Sorry, things in the real world are defined through observational characteristics.

 

[Polymath257]

So how do you explain Quantum Entanglement and signal-less communication?

No communication occurs. There is no information transfer.

The *correlation* of the two particles is initiated when the particles form.

 

[Corvus]

Thank you Jesus. Maybe there is something to it after all.

 

[Polymath257]

In his TED Talk, Nassim Haramain suggests that, because the atom is over 99% empty space, perhaps it is this empty space that must be the important factor for the existence of the remainder. IOW, 'Everything comes out of Nothing'. How could it be otherwise? How can an infinite Universe emerge from a finite 'something'? And if The Universe is Everything that exists, then it is not just an absolute, but The Absolute, because there is no relative 'other' to which it can be compared. Therefore, as the great mystic Vivekenanda tells us:

"The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"

So the opinions of someone who clearly knows very little about the subject outweigh those of people who have studied it all their lives?

 

[Corvus]

So the opinions of someone who clearly knows very little about the subject outweigh those of people who have studied it all their lives?

Apparently so. Which is infuriating.

 

[godnotgod]

So the opinions of someone who clearly knows very little about the subject outweigh those of people who have studied it all their lives?

New discoveries always come about with some maverick working on the frontier....like Einstein, for example, and that is what Haramein is: a maverick who is pointing out something no one has previously considered.

 

[godnotgod]

What we directly experience is not reality. Our senses are very far from being perfect.

So what, then, is the experience you have beyond the senses?

 

[Polymath257]

New discoveries always come about with some maverick working on the frontier....like Einstein, for example, and that is what Haramein is: a maverick who is pointing out something no one has previously considered.

And what actual experimental evidence does he present? What mathematical description does he propose? In what ways can his ideas be tested?

Yes, 'mavericks' do occasionally find new ideas that are fruitful. But Einstein was already very well informed about physics when he started doing relativity. He was very familiar with what the current theories were before he headed off in his own direction.

Haramein, on the other hand, is a hack. He clearly fails to understand even the basics. And that is the difference between Einstein and Bozo the clown.

 

[godnotgod]

No communication occurs. There is no information transfer.

The *correlation* of the two particles is initiated when the particles form.

...and yet, the one responds instantaneously to the other without delay. How is that possible if time is a reality?

 

[Polymath257]

So what, then, is the experience you have beyond the senses?

Not what I claimed. I said our senses are not perfect and do not show us reality.

So, we do not see and cannot detect ultra-violet light. But it exists around us all the time. Our eyes fail to distinguish 'colors' that are different in reality because we only have three types of color receptors. We are subject to many types of optical and other sensory illusions.

What we see is not reality. It is an image filtered through our senses, which are very far from perfect.

 

[Polymath257]

...and yet, the one responds instantaneously to the other without delay. How is that possible if time is a reality?

Like I said, the correlation was formulated long before the observation. If I split a coin in half and separate the halves, sending one to you, your observation of a tail means I will observe a head. But no information is instantly transfered.

 

[godnotgod]

And what actual experimental evidence does he present? What mathematical description does he propose? In what ways can his ideas be tested?

Yes, 'mavericks' do occasionally find new ideas that are fruitful. But Einstein was already very well informed about physics when he started doing relativity. He was very familiar with what the current theories were before he headed off in his own direction.

Haramein, on the other hand, is a hack. He clearly fails to understand even the basics. And that is the difference between Einstein and Bozo the clown.

You're not paying attention to the question and the logic involved. Haramein is merely suggesting that, because the overwhelming composition of the atom is empty space, perhaps this empty space has some importance in determining why the remainder of the atom exists. This is real science. Why are you falsely suggesting that Haramein is ignorant about physics, when he has published in peer-reviewed papers and has given talks at TED? You are presenting a distorted view to serve your ingrained views.

 

[godnotgod]

Not what I claimed. I said our senses are not perfect and do not show us reality.

So, we do not see and cannot detect ultra-violet light. But it exists around us all the time. Our eyes fail to distinguish 'colors' that are different in reality because we only have three types of color receptors. We are subject to many types of optical and other sensory illusions.

What we see is not reality. It is an image filtered through our senses, which are very far from perfect.

Right, so if that is the case, what, then, is the experience one has when the senses are transcended? Do you understand the question?

 

[Thief]

Laughable, my prediction is vindicated.

Is space a force or a substance? You are devoid of understanding about the nature of physics and time.

''Time is one of the four dimensions that make up the fabric of reality we all exist in as entities of mass and energy. Be we stars or people or whatever. It is an intangible fundamental aspect of reality. It is real, it is relative, if time was simply an abstract invention, then there would be universal time as we thought pre General Relativity and Einstein's derived equations, there would be no Lorentz contraction, no time dilation...no black holes etc. Essentially it all boils down to the fact that the speed of light, distance over time, has to be a constant 299,000 or so m/s. Your physical presence distorts spacetime itself. We can observe and measure that distortion.''

dimensions are measurements....

distortions are measurements

your sense of reality is formed by measurements

someday.....the clock and the yardstick are no longer yours

then what?

 

[Polymath257]

Right, so if that is the case, what, then, is the experience one has when the senses are transcended? Do you understand the question?

Yes, I understand the question. The experience in just in the mind. It is illusory.

 

[Polymath257]

You're not paying attention to the question and the logic involved. Haramein is merely suggesting that, because the overwhelming composition of the atom is empty space, perhaps this empty space has some importance in determining why the remainder of the atom exists. This is real science. Why are you falsely suggesting that Haramein is ignorant about physics, when he has published in peer-reviewed papers and has given talks at TED? You are presenting a distorted view to serve your ingrained views.

It is a popular notion that an atom is mostly empty space, but it is a falsehood. Most of the volume of the atom is filled with the wave function for the electrons in the atom.

The reason for the popular misconception is that the nucleus is small and electrons are small, while the atom is comparatively large. The problem is that classical ideas are not relevant here. The relevant aspect is the wave function for the electrons, not the electrons themselves. And most of the atom *is* filled with that ave function.

Haramein's ignorance of this shows his lack of understanding of basic physics at this level. He falls under the popular delusion instead of the actual scientific facts.

 

[godnotgod]

Yes, I understand the question. The experience in just in the mind. It is illusory.

No, you do not understand, because you are still clinging to mind, which is the agent of perception. I am asking: what is the experience beyond the thinking, sensing mind? Now, if what you say is true: that the senses distort reality, then there must be an experience that does not distort reality; the experience which sees reality perfectly, just as it actually is.

 

[Polymath257]

You're not paying attention to the question and the logic involved. Haramein is merely suggesting that, because the overwhelming composition of the atom is empty space, perhaps this empty space has some importance in determining why the remainder of the atom exists. This is real science. Why are you falsely suggesting that Haramein is ignorant about physics, when he has published in peer-reviewed papers and has given talks at TED? You are presenting a distorted view to serve your ingrained views.

He's a crank.

Nassim Haramein - RationalWiki