A Universe from Nothing?

[godnotgod]

It is a popular notion that an atom is mostly empty space, but it is a falsehood. Most of the volume of the atom is filled with the wave function for the electrons in the atom.

The reason for the popular misconception is that the nucleus is small and electrons are small, while the atom is comparatively large. The problem is that classical ideas are not relevant here. The relevant aspect is the wave function for the electrons, not the electrons themselves. And most of the atom *is* filled with that ave function.

Haramein's ignorance of this shows his lack of understanding of basic physics at this level. He falls under the popular delusion instead of the actual scientific facts.

This is obscure. Are you trying to say that the particle is actually the result of fluctuations in the surrounding field?

 

[Polymath257]

This is obscure. Are you trying to say that the particle is actually the result of fluctuations in the surrounding field?

No. I am saying that all quantum particles are also waves. This is basic. The wave for the electrons in an atom spread out over the whole atom.

/E: And this is nothing new. it has been known for about 80 years.

 

[godnotgod]

He's a crank.

Nassim Haramein - RationalWiki

Nassim Haramein has recently proven that the “Strong Force” and the “Standard Model” actually rely upon a mis-measurement of the energy density of all Protons.

Along with Dr. E.A. Rauscher, Nassim Haramein has published a more precise cosmological mathematics, which shows that the mysterious “Strong Force” is actually “Quantum Gravity” in disguise.

This Paper, The Schwarzschild Proton received the Best Paper Award at the 9th International Physics Conference (CASYS’09 – Computing Anticipatory Systems) in Belgium, and the prediction within The Schwarzschild Proton was recently confirmed by a Swiss proton accelerator experiment in 2013.

The Standard Model of physics has been overturned and we now have a more accurate measurement of the quantum world.



In addition to The Schwarzschild Proton, Nassim Haramein has published The Origin of Spin.
Within this paper, Nassim Haramein and Dr. Elizabeth Rauscher have effectively added “Torque” calculations to Einstein’s Field Equations, thus identifying the source of Charge within all subatomic particles (protons and electors) – a very useful discovery.

With Haramein’s new and award-winning model of the universe, we can now design and engineer small scale systems that are able to produce their own magnetic and gravitational fields independent of the Earths magnetic and Gravitational field.

Thus, opening up the door to Magrav Technology as means of Lift, Drive and Energy Generation – replacing combustion technology and resolving the energy and environmental crises plaguing our planet today.

Revolution In The World Of Physics - Nassim Haramein

Cranks don't win Best Paper Awards at International Physics Conferences ! Note the word 'International'. Haramein is no slouch.

You just want to cling to your stagnant paradigm for security and refuse to see.

 

[godnotgod]

No. I am saying that all quantum particles are also waves. This is basic. The wave for the electrons in an atom spread out over the whole atom.

/E: And this is nothing new. it has been known for about 80 years.

However, most recent information shows that all particles, including electrons, are actually standing waves created by fluctuations in their respective fields. IOW, it's all about the field, and not the 'particle', which actually does not exist.

 

[Thief]

and the universe .....unfolds.....

 

[Polymath257]

Nassim Haramein has recently proven that the “Strong Force” and the “Standard Model” actually rely upon a mis-measurement of the energy density of all Protons.

Along with Dr. E.A. Rauscher, Nassim Haramein has published a more precise cosmological mathematics, which shows that the mysterious “Strong Force” is actually “Quantum Gravity” in disguise.

This Paper, The Schwarzschild Proton received the Best Paper Award at the 9th International Physics Conference (CASYS’09 – Computing Anticipatory Systems) in Belgium, and the prediction within The Schwarzschild Proton was recently confirmed by a Swiss proton accelerator experiment in 2013.

The Standard Model of physics has been overturned and we now have a more accurate measurement of the quantum world.

Up: The Physics of the Schwarzschild Proton

Astronasty: Nassim Haramein of "The Schwarzschild Proton" Part 2

In addition to The Schwarzschild Proton, Nassim Haramein has published The Origin of Spin.
Within this paper, Nassim Haramein and Dr. Elizabeth Rauscher have effectively added “Torque” calculations to Einstein’s Field Equations, thus identifying the source of Charge within all subatomic particles (protons and electors) – a very useful discovery.

With Haramein’s new and award-winning model of the universe, we can now design and engineer small scale systems that are able to produce their own magnetic and gravitational fields independent of the Earths magnetic and Gravitational field.

Thus, opening up the door to Magrav Technology as means of Lift, Drive and Energy Generation – replacing combustion technology and resolving the energy and environmental crises plaguing our planet today.

Revolution In The World Of Physics - Nassim Haramein

Cranks don't win Best Paper Awards at International Physics Conferences ! Note the word 'International'. Haramein is no slouch.

You just want to cling to your stagnant paradigm for security and refuse to see.

On the contrary, even a casual look at his stuff shows he is a *complete* crank. It seems he has taken in some investors also.

 

[Corvus]

dimensions are measurements....

distortions are measurements

your sense of reality is formed by measurements

someday.....the clock and the yardstick are no longer yours

then what?

I have absolutely no idea what on Jupiter you are talking about.

 

[Corvus]

No. I am saying that all quantum particles are also waves. This is basic. The wave for the electrons in an atom spread out over the whole atom.

The electron probability cloud.
Here is a simple breakdown for those who might not know.

Wave-like properties:

1. The electrons do not orbit the nucleus in the manner of a planet orbiting the sun, but instead exist as standing waves. Thus the lowest possible energy an electron can take is similar to the fundamental frequency of a wave on a string. Higher energy states are similar to harmonics of that fundamental frequency.
2. The electrons are never in a single point location, although the probability of interacting with the electron at a single point can be found from the wave function of the electron.

Particle-like properties:

1. There is always an integer number of electrons orbiting the nucleus.
2. Electrons jump between orbitals in a particle-like fashion. For example, if a single photon strikes the electrons, only a single electron changes states in response to the photon.
3. The electrons retain particle-like properties such as: each wave state has the same electrical charge as the electron particle. Each wave state has a single discrete spin (spin up or spin down). This can depend upon its superposition. Wiki

 

[godnotgod]

Wave-like properties:

1. The electrons do not orbit the nucleus in the manner of a planet orbiting the sun, but instead exist as standing waves.

Yes, electrons are not particles; they are, in reality, standing waves, created by fluctuations in the surrounding field.

ALL 'particles' in The Universe are standing waves. ALL of the mass of the atom is VIRTUAL mass. IOW, we live in a VIRTUAL reality.

It’s confirmed: Matter is merely vacuum fluctuations

 

[ChristineM]

So your concept of time is not a human concept whereas gng's concept of time is. Does that make you an alien?

Funny how you don't comprehend eh?

No it makes me a realist.

 

[ChristineM]

What is the reference we use, for example, to establish as real what we call 'space'?


Aren't both dimension and the arrow of time still conceptual overlays onto nature, making you think they are actually part of nature, when, in reality, they are exclusively properties of the mind?

Do you really believe there is a past, present, and future, or is there only this now?

Thee of the four parameters i have previously mentioned. The dimensions of height, depth, and width.

Entropy is real and happening, without it, nature could not exist.

When i began typing this, i began in what is most the past, so yes i know the past is real, or was at the time it was present. And I'll not finish typing this post until some time in the future. Of course, when that future comes to pass it will be present. So assuming i complete and you read this post then its proof that past, present and future exist. Unless of course you have compelling evidence that I'm wrong..., have you?

 

[Polymath257]

Yes, electrons are not particles; they are, in reality, standing waves, created by fluctuations in the surrounding field.

ALL 'particles' in The Universe are standing waves. ALL of the mass of the atom is VIRTUAL mass. IOW, we live in a VIRTUAL reality.

It’s confirmed: Matter is merely vacuum fluctuations

No, electrons are particles: when we detect an electron, we detect a discrete thing. But it is also a wave: a probability wave for detection of the particle.

ALL quantum particles are waves and vice versa. This is different that simply being a standing wave. For example, a photon is NOT a standing wave. It is a moving wave. Whether an electron is a standing wave or not depends on whether it is free or bound in an atom. The bound states *are* standing waves, but the free states are not.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sorry, things in the real world are defined through observational characteristics.

And you believe human observation and definition of the things in the real world are one and the same as the things? The finger pointing to the moon is the moon?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The electron probability cloud.
Here is a simple breakdown for those who might not know.

Wave-like properties:

1. The electrons do not orbit the nucleus in the manner of a planet orbiting the sun, but instead exist as standing waves. Thus the lowest possible energy an electron can take is similar to the fundamental frequency of a wave on a string. Higher energy states are similar to harmonics of that fundamental frequency.
2. The electrons are never in a single point location, although the probability of interacting with the electron at a single point can be found from the wave function of the electron.

Particle-like properties:

1. There is always an integer number of electrons orbiting the nucleus.
2. Electrons jump between orbitals in a particle-like fashion. For example, if a single photon strikes the electrons, only a single electron changes states in response to the photon.
3. The electrons retain particle-like properties such as: each wave state has the same electrical charge as the electron particle. Each wave state has a single discrete spin (spin up or spin down). This can depend upon its superposition. Wiki

Good...glad to see there are some things we can agree on, WSM.

 

[Polymath257]

And you believe human observation and definition of the things in the real world are one and the same as the things? The finger pointing to the moon is the moon?

Did I say that?

No, I do not think that. But the only way we learn about the things around us is through observation. Our senses are imperfect, so we often don't see the reality.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Did I say that?

No, I do not think that. But the only way we learn about the things around us is through observation. Our senses are imperfect, so we often don't see the reality.

That's something altogether different, and I generally agree with you. I would just add that because our senses are limited, we can never apprehend the whole reality.

 

[Polymath257]

That's something altogether different, and I generally agree with you. I would just add that because our senses are limited, we can never apprehend the whole reality.

Of course not. But we can extend our senses by various devices to detect more of it. That is how we learn.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Of course not. But we can extend our senses by various devices to detect more of it. That is how we learn.

Of course, and I for one would include a well developed intuitive faculty as something that enhances our perception and comprehension.

 

[godnotgod]

Thee of the four parameters i have previously mentioned. The dimensions of height, depth, and width.

Entropy is real and happening, without it, nature could not exist.

When i began typing this, i began in what is most the past, so yes i know the past is real, or was at the time it was present. And I'll not finish typing this post until some time in the future. Of course, when that future comes to pass it will be present. So assuming i complete and you read this post then its proof that past, present and future exist. Unless of course you have compelling evidence that I'm wrong..., have you?

The past, which was the present at the time, no longer exists, so cannot be real; it is only traces held in memory. The future, which, of course does not yet exist, is also not real until it becomes present. When I read what you wrote in the past present, it will be now. So only the present is real, and will always be what is only real. The rest is mental popcorn.

Height, depth and width begin as concepts and are then overlain onto nature. Space itself has no such inherent dimensions. It is empty of inherent self nature. That is why it can be called 'space'. Again, you are mistaking the concept of reality for reality itself. For you to conceive of height, depth, and width, you must begin with a reference of some kind, but there is no such reference in what is called 'space'. Those references are found only in perception. So what you are essentially doing, is to say that space has the dimensions of height, depth, and width via using solid materials as the reference. IOW, you are determining the nature of space by looking at what is IN space. And that is what I said in the beginning. Remove these materials, and there is no space. There is nothing, and nothing is pure consciousness. And THAT is the origin of the Big Bang.

Entropy is just part of the endless cycle of emergence and eventual dissolution of The Universe.

 

[godnotgod]

No, electrons are particles: when we detect an electron, we detect a discrete thing. But it is also a wave: a probability wave for detection of the particle.

ALL quantum particles are waves and vice versa. This is different that simply being a standing wave. For example, a photon is NOT a standing wave. It is a moving wave. Whether an electron is a standing wave or not depends on whether it is free or bound in an atom. The bound states *are* standing waves, but the free states are not.

If electrons were real particles, we would be able to measure them, but we cannot. When we try, what we detected as 'particles' become waves.

The problem is that there are no such 'particles'. What you call 'particles' are only excitations in the fields which create them.

"Carroll’s stunner, at least to many non-scientists, is this: Every particle is actually a field. The universe is full of fields, and what we think of as particles are just excitations of those fields, like waves in an ocean. An electron, for example, is just an excitation of an electron field."

Real talk: Everything is made of fields

EDIT: Turns out, an electron is not a fundamental particle as was thought; it has 3 sub-components, even existing in a single dimension:

Electron No Longer a Fundamental Particle ? | Cosmology Science by David Dilworth