A Very Simple Question For Creationists

[Skwim]

If you believe that small changes can occur within a species so as to slightly alter its population, a process commonly called microevolution, which is accepted by many creationists, and that these changes can well be cumulative over many, many years (say thousands), why can't they eventually culminate in an organism so different from the original parent as to be a new species?


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[Ouroboros]

(pretending to be a creationist here)

Because there's a magical "kind" gene in the DNA that stops it from doing so! Duh!

 

[allfoak]

There is little question that life is evolving, we find new species nearly every day, they don't come from nowhere.
The issue for me is not whether life is evolving, it is whether there is an underlying substance that is the original source of it all.
Things don't come from nothing.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

There is little question that life is evolving, we find new species nearly every day, they don't come from nowhere.
The issue for me is not whether life is evolving, it is whether there is an underlying substance that is the original source of it all.
Things don't come from nothing.

And when was there ever "nothing" do you think?

 

[allfoak]

And when was there ever "nothing" do you think?

Evolution says nothing of the substance from which it all came.
The theory is empty of life.

 

[savagewind]

If you believe that small changes can occur within a species so as to slightly alter its population, a process commonly called microevolution, which is accepted by many creationists, and that these changes can well be cumulative over many, many years (say thousands), why can't they eventually culminate in an organism so different from the original parent as to be a new species?


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I know that with an average brain and the will to complete anything well I fail many, many times.
Now consider that anything of real value can be completed without a brain. I can't.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

There is little question that life is evolving, we find new species nearly every day, they don't come from nowhere.
The issue for me is not whether life is evolving, it is whether there is an underlying substance that is the original source of it all.
Things don't come from nothing.

I disagree, but Liked the post, since it's nice to see someone who clearly splits evolution and abiogenesis.

 

[Brian Schuh]

If you believe that small changes can occur within a species so as to slightly alter its population, a process commonly called microevolution, which is accepted by many creationists, and that these changes can well be cumulative over many, many years (say thousands), why can't they eventually culminate in an organism so different from the original parent as to be a new species?


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Well, if you define two animals as two different species because the two of them can't produce fertile offspring, then we have already observed that speciation in dog breeds, many of which can't procreate with each other without human assistance.

Now let me ask you a simple question. Let us say creationists wholeheartedly accept evolution, that still doesn't prove that God didn't create the universe 5777 years ago.

Right, even if you prove evolution beyond a shadow of a doubt, a die hard creationist will just say, okay all life has evolved since the beginning of time 5777 years ago. So proving evolution doesn't disprove creation.

 

[savagewind]

Well, if you define two animals as two different species because the two of them can't produce fertile offspring, then we have already observed that speciation in dog breeds, many of which can't procreate with each other without human assistance.

Now let me ask you a simple question. Let us say creationists wholeheartedly accept evolution, that still doesn't prove that God didn't create the universe 5777 years ago.

Right, even if you prove evolution beyond a shadow of a doubt, a die hard creationist will just say, okay all life has evolved since the beginning of time 5777 years ago. So proving evolution doesn't disprove creation.

It seems to me that you forgot to ask a question.

 

[Brian Schuh]

It seems to me that you forgot to ask a question.

How does proving the evolutionary process disprove creation? So what if all life is evolving and has evolved from the time God created life with its inherent ability to change and improve upon itself? Doesn't and can't prove creation didn't happen.

 

[savagewind]

How does proving the evolutionary process disprove creation? So what if all life is evolving and has evolved from the time God created life with its inherent ability to change and improve upon itself? Doesn't and can't prove creation didn't happen.

There would have to be a difference in TIME if everything to have arrived via evolution in less than 6000 years. That evolution could have worked its "magic" in only 6000 years is so very obviously impossible that anyone who might believe it happened that way is a CLOWN, a scary clown.

 

[savagewind]

I won't even call people human who believe that the Heavens and the Earth have existed for only less than 6000 years.

 

[savagewind]

I think it can be proved that this existed at least a thousand years ago. For people who believe the Earth is only 6000 years young, it would mean that the cave and its decorations would have to have been created in less than 5000 years. It is just plain impossible.

 

[savagewind]

Unless God used magic to make the Earth and everything on it, a 6000 year young Earth is IMPOSSIBLE!

Deuteronomy 18:9-14
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God
What Does the Bible Say About Magic?

God says sorcery is an abomination but young Earth creationists seem to say that God is a sorcerer. Does that make sense to them? Yes? Then their brains are not brains imo. I do not know what they are.

 

[allfoak]

There would have to be a difference in TIME if everything to have arrived via evolution in less than 6000 years. That evolution could have worked its "magic" in only 6000 years is so very obviously impossible that anyone who might believe it happened that way is a CLOWN, a scary clown.

Suppose for a moment that the earth has been evolving for billions of years.
Isn't it still possible that there is an underlying substance that is responsible for setting it into motion?

 

[Brian Schuh]

There would have to be a difference in TIME if everything to have arrived via evolution in less than 6000 years. That evolution could have worked its "magic" in only 6000 years is so very obviously impossible that anyone who might believe it happened that way is a CLOWN, a scary clown.

You mention the magic of evolution ignoring the magic of creation. Creation could have happened yesterday at 3 P.M. when God created all our memories.

 

[savagewind]

Suppose for a moment that the earth has been evolving for billions of years.
Isn't it still possible that there is an underlying substance that is responsible for setting it into motion?

I believe there is! I call that GOD. If those believing in Earth by evolution alone ever wake up, they should search for the reason. There has to be something else. I am sure.

 

[savagewind]

You mention the magic of evolution ignoring the magic of creation. Creation could have happened yesterday at 3 P.M. when God created all our memories.

This is interesting Sci-Fy. I shall file it.

 

[Brian Schuh]

There would have to be a difference in TIME if everything to have arrived via evolution in less than 6000 years. That evolution could have worked its "magic" in only 6000 years is so very obviously impossible that anyone who might believe it happened that way is a CLOWN, a scary clown.

Creation says everything arrived in 7 days and God declared it good, and now evolutionists say it has been evolving ever since. Where is the contradiction?

 

[savagewind]

You mention the magic of evolution ignoring the magic of creation. Creation could have happened yesterday at 3 P.M. when God created all our memories.

If God is it that creates everything I know, why does God make me know stuff such as this? I can imagine MY evil brain making up such stuff, but GOD? REALLY?

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