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a vote for the lesser evil is a vote for evil: a prayer for a Divine Intervention in America

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Pointing out that people are actively endorsing evil by voting is not the same as doing nothing.
Precisely and I'm not one of those people controlled and manipulated by others to vote for the lesser of two evils.

I will however vote for a very good candidate that will get things done and the people benefit.
 

McBell

Unbound
So are you going to admit that , "Just following orders" justifies that one must vote for the lesser of two evils?
No idea what you are talking about there...

If I don't vote for either of them, I don't carry the blame at all , but I can certainly blame those that do.
If you do not vote, you are even more guilty than those who do.
At least the one who voted did something about the evil instead of letting it run amuck.
 

McBell

Unbound
Precisely and I'm not one of those people controlled and manipulated by others to vote for the lesser of two evils.
I do not gives a crickets fart if you vote or not.

I just find it disturbingly entertaining that you will do nothing about the evil, but then whine about those who do.

I will however vote for a very good candidate that will get things done and the people benefit.
I seriously doubt that there will even be a mediocrely good candidate that will get things done and the people benefit in my life time.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No idea what you are talking about there...


If you do not vote, you are even more guilty than those who do.
At least the one who voted did something about the evil instead of letting it run amuck.
Nope. Not guilty at all. I don't keep feeding the monsters unlike others that feel they must.

If you do vote for monsters you are completely the one to blame for encouraging things to continue.

Sorry if that truth hurts.
 

McBell

Unbound
Nope. Not guilty at all. I don't keep feeding the monsters unlike others that feel they must.

If you do vote for monsters you are completely the one to blame for encouraging things to continue.

Sorry if that truth hurts.
Except it is not a truth.
It is an idealism.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Had lunch the other day with a woman who’s said her bloodline contains women who know things other people do not know. She said that some years ago, she got a flash that her daughter would be killed by her boyfriend, and then it happened, and her other children prayed for God to go get the killer, but she prayed, “'Vengeance is mine, said the Lord', and that is the stand I take.” Not long after, she learned the boyfriend was dead. I said it was her prayer that brought about that result, not her children’s prayers.

We discussed the difference in telling God what to do, and asking in the name of the Christ that God intervene in something.

She asked me how I will vote in November? I said no one: I cannot vote for war criminals that aid and abet Israel in Gaza; and I cannot abide Trump, who is possessed by a demon. Trump is contagious. A demon is messing with Biden and Harris, and they are contagious.

Imagine Trump wins in November and then dies of natural or unnatural causes and JD Vance is president.

Imagine Trump, Biden and Harris die tomorrow.

In the name of the Christ, I ask for a Divine Intervention in America. God’s will, not mine, be done.
When choices are limited, you still sometimes have to make one. Sometimes, a vote for the lesser of two evils is just an attempt to keep the greater evil at bay, until better options become available. To avoid that attempt may well result in more evil than you hoped for.

Do you think that would be a good thing?
 

Redneck Mystic

Active Member
I read the post & poster that I responded to.
When choices are limited, you still sometimes have to make one. Sometimes, a vote for the lesser of two evils is just an attempt to keep the greater evil at bay, until better options become available. To avoid that attempt may well result in more evil than you hoped for.

Do you think that would be a good thing?
Which is the lesser evil? Biden and Harris helping Israel level Gaza and maybe start WWIII, or Donald Trump?
 

Redneck Mystic

Active Member
When choices are limited, you still sometimes have to make one. Sometimes, a vote for the lesser of two evils is just an attempt to keep the greater evil at bay, until better options become available. To avoid that attempt may well result in more evil than you hoped for.

Do you think that would be a good thing?
Which is the lesser or greater evil, Trump or Biden and Harris helping Israel level Gaza and maybe start WWIII?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Which is the lesser or greater evil, Trump or Biden and Harris helping Israel level Gaza and maybe start WWIII?
As I recall, Trump has often boasted about his support for Israel. Whether his criticisms of just the last couple of days are "the real Trump" is (like everything else he says) an open question.

Trump says a lot of stuff he can't support, and nor does he try -- like he'll "stop the war in Ukraine in a day." How will he do that? Put Putin over his knee and spank him? Give Putin Ukraine and throw in Poland for good measure? Who knows?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I seriously doubt that there will even be a mediocrely good candidate that will get things done and the people benefit in my life time.
Not while the U.S. insists on clinging to a two-party system -- as if there are only two ways to think and no nuance at all -- nor while it insists on it's ridiculous Electoral College, lifetime terms for SCOTUS with no code of ethics, or electing Republicans like Ted Cruz, Donald Trump, Lindsay Graham, Rand Paul, Tim Scott or JD Vance.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
I ran ten times for local office as an Independent, and I saw things kept going backward and regressing, just like on national level. I concluded, very simply, if God doesn’t step in and turn America around, then that suggests how America goes does not concern God, or America is getting what it deserves. I say that as a person born in America to American citizens going back several generations. I could say much the same about lots of other countries. But I do not live in those countries.
You'll have a long wait for god to step in. (Clue: she doesn't exist)
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
As I recall, Trump has often boasted about his support for Israel. Whether his criticisms of just the last couple of days are "the real Trump" is (like everything else he says) an open question.

Trump says a lot of stuff he can't support, and nor does he try -- like he'll "stop the war in Ukraine in a day." How will he do that? Put Putin over his knee and spank him? Give Putin Ukraine and throw in Poland for good measure? Who knows?
Most recently, Trump has taken to saying to women, "women will be happy, healthy, confident and free," but he doesn't say a damned word about how he will accomplish that miracle. Is he going to give them all money? Is he planning to put women in charge of their husbands and families? Who knows?

He goes on speak directly to female voters, saying “you will no longer be thinking about abortion, because it is now where it always had to be, with the states."

My question is this: how is it better to have an issue of your own healthcare in the hands of a government -- any government? Under Roe v Wade, abortion was a healthcare issue in the hands a the woman and her physician. Trump handed that to politicians, who could do whatever the hell they wanted to, without regard to what the woman needed. How is that better? Somebody, please tell me!
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
In the name of the Christ, I ask for a Divine Intervention in America. God’s will, not mine, be done.
So you believe in an interventionist God who could chose to influence the US presidential election yet you also believe that God has allowed both the last two and (at things stand) next president be "possessed by demons" (but not Vance for some reason)? That sounds as rational as having the ability to prevent your friends daughter from being killed but just letting that happen, only to cause the boyfriend be killed at a later date.

If God is interventionist (and assuming you believe God is fundamentally good), why would he need anyone to ask him to intervene. Wouldn't he just make the best thing happen regardless.
 
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