A web-wide idea to correct misconceptions about Satanists

[jasonwill2]

Most sites like Religious Tolerance or Rational Wiki will do things like use a "clean" variant of the five faces of Satanism, or say that either they are basically LaVeyans or reverse Christians that believe in the Christian God or worship the Christian Satn.

However I rediscovered a page:

Satanism does, obviously, have roots in Christianity. But this does not make Satanism a form of Christianity, any more than Christianity is a form of Judaism. Satanism is not just a "Christian heresy", any more than Christianity is just a "Jewish heresy." Most Satanists do not believe in Christian theology. Most Satanists have their own interpretations of who/what "Satan" is, and do not believe in the Christian God. (There are many different kinds of Satanism, with a variety of different interpretations of "Satan.") Most forms of Satanism derive ideas from other sources besides just Christianity, just as Christianity derived ideas from other sources besides Judaism.

source: Wiccan Disclaimer Critique


From my experience, most Theistic Satanists are either pantheists/panetheists or henotheistic polytheists, while some are just polytheists.

I have never met a Satanist who believes that The Christian God is anything other than a nasty random god, or that he doesn't exist it.

What I suggest, is that we go to these sites and wikis and urge them with resources to consider what they state on their sites. The wikis would be easier if we could start discussions on them. I plan to later take up a mis-representation of a Theistic invocation with Religioustolerance.com which misinterprets the invocation in question. The Author (Diane Vera) explains in a linked article what the invocation means, but yet religioustolerance.com uses her invocation to make the accusation that Theistic Satanists "worship the Christian Satan".

Let's gather more resources for this, we will need them. TheisticSatanism.com is my first idea, but beyond that and some other sites linked through there, I am unaware of any other sites that could help us.

Also anyone have any books on the matter that could help us?

 

[Orias]

I don't think this would ever work.

The Satanist is what he is for a reason, and thats not to justify the demeaning acts of other Satanists.

 

[jasonwill2]

I don't think this would ever work.

The Satanist is what he is for a reason, and thats not to justify the demeaning acts of other Satanists.

I think it would. I noticed a while ago that wikipedia updated it's Theistic Satanist article a while ago, and actually cited Satanic sites and books for it's information, which painted a very accurate and diverse picture.

I'm sure with some added effort other Satanists who are contributors to various sites with articles or wiki pages on Satanism could help fix it up, and show an unbiased and accurate picture of Satanism. This 'most believe in either LaVeyan or believe in the Christian Satan' stuff will probably fade with time as the world becomes more secular and open-minded, and as we Theistic Satanists start coming out of the wood-works more and more to finally speak up and say something.

 

[Orias]

I dunno, I would just figure that if we tried harder then so would the other side.

The Satanist works underground for very specific reasons. Satanism is shrouded, in major part, due to his succession of working underground, by himself.

Those that are less aware of his tactics and beliefs are less aware of his potential and intent, therefore being less aware of any correct conception of the Satanist.

And of course, I'd rather not attempt to justify any horrifying or disgusting acts that others deem Satanic for reasons that pertain to liability.

If its one thing all Satanists should know, its that they don't like being spoken for. They do it by themselves, and even if someone says something that another would essentially describe they will still attempt to describe in a new and different way that relates to them.

On that note, most Satanists are also aware of the most recognizable parts of the Art of War, knowing thy enemy and knowing thyself.

The more we keep ourselves concealed, the less our enemies know about us, therefore making us a larger threat to others than perhaps we realize.

Xeper

 

[Mindmaster]

Theistic Satanists are underground due to prudence.
Theistic Satanism is a highly personal thing and I have found it very hard to find ONE person to even agree with on most points. Not because I was particularly looking, but I feel most people seek to be understood by a peer once in awhile. It is very hard to explain the concept of Satan having nothing to do with a biblical reference to people whom think they've 'invented' the concept. They've been selling Satan's sizzle for years, and a few of us just came a long and realized there was a little more spark in the old fires of hell than they thought -- but, we learned it wasn't what they taught! :bat:

 

[jasonwill2]

.... dude I was just talking about contributing to some wikis, not running out into to the street to correct people.

 

[sinjones]

.... dude I was just talking about contributing to some wikis, not running out into to the street to correct people.

Why? Why are you concerned with what you believe to be Disinfo? Who is the Wiki for? Wouldn't it better serve you to allow the Masses to believe (fill in the blank) about Satanists? Art of misdirection and all that. Correcting these so-called misconceptions seems like an effort in futility to me.

 

[Adramelek]

Correcting these so-called misconceptions seems like an effort in futility to me.

Agreed. Trying to convince a Christian that Satan, the Devil, Prince of Darkness, is "good"... Lmao!

 

[GoodbyeDave]

If some people call themselves Satanist (or Witches, for that matter), then some other people are going to get the wrong idea! Surely the theistic Satanists could find some god who fits their ideas? Of course, many do (Loki, Set) but that's another topic.

 

[sinjones]

What wrong idea? I don't know about you but I embrace the premise of EVIL. What's good for the goose, isn't always for the gander. What are these so-called misconceptions anyway?

Let me guess... 'Satanists don't do bad things like sacrifice Animal or Kill People'. - News Flash, some do. That's the thing about AUTONOMY and POWER, you don't get to decide what other people do. If you don't want to be associated with these things, pick a new Identity pin. That's the trouble with kids now-a-days, they think 'Satanist' is their identity. Satanism is something you DO not something you ARE. Satanism is just one manifestation of the LHP and by its very nature is Provocative in the face of comfort. If this sort of stuff makes you so uncomfortable, it SHOULD. Say for example, the very thought of animal mutilation freaks you out. Maybe you should watch HOURS of this stuff until it no longer does, eh?

 

[dust1n]

First, you'd have to establish any semblance of agreement among people who consider themselves on the LHP, which is pretty much anyone's guess.

 

[Whiterain]

Satan... To few question who Satan is....

For me Satan is a bi-product of Catholicism's efforts in monotheism.

Satan could be the Lucifer, Satan could be the Samael.

Either of which seem legitimate to me. I'm no scape goat, but at Man's pace, they're quite legit.

Unless, however, they brought on our technological advancement. If such things were celestial in turn, it's a completely different argument, sort of the same in nature. Man is just as guilty, their benevolent acts turn corrupt by the greed of Men. We're not all to blame, neither are the animals trampled under foot.

Being judged as a whole isn't a new nature. Contemporary objective ideology is, hold on to that.

Then you get, you're siding with them, you're an animal, you're an animal, you're siding with them.

It's kinda pathetic.