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A woman's rage
- Thread starter ChristineM
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If only.
It's a good analogy. Men constantly get kicked in the nuts on a daily basis. We get bullied, humiliated, mocked, told to risk our lives for the good of the community, constantly put in the face of danger. No wonder there is a greater rate of suicide among men.
I agree, men don't really get it. This is normality for men. We are not really allow to complain. We have to be able to take a good kick in the nuts and stand right back up and get on with life. It's true men are insensitive about these things because we have to be. It's part of the culture.
At the same time, men are also the "protectors". Well, not all men, some are predators. There are folks out there that prey on women, children and even other men. Now days however we get mixed messages. It's anti-feminist to assume women need a protector. Very confusing times to be a man.
So yes men are insensitive by nature and are not sure when they are supposed to act as protector and when they are not. IMO ideally, if women want equality, they are going to have to take the responsibility of proving their accusations.
A guy gets kick in the nuts, it's assault. The victim says it happened, the perpetrator says it didn't. If all you have is the accusation, you are not going to get very far in a court of law. So you get kicked, go to the doctor for a medical examine. File a report with the police etc. Stuff most men won't do for fear of getting laughed at, ridiculed and we are just suppose to take it and not complain. In fact men getting kicked in the nuts is often used as comedy.
So a guy doesn't get a medical examine, doesn't report it to the police for fear of embarrassment and then when trying to get justice in the court system finds he can't.
A very apt analogy indeed.
Dont know much about the Kavanaugh debacle other that its a hot issue in America.
Of course not. Why do you ask? I never said any such thing.
Looking over this & similar threads, it appears that multiple big topics are
being addressed simultaneously rather & individually. There's much talking
past each other when not discussing the same thing.
I'll make a list of some issues I see.
(Assume the word "some" precedes named groups.).
- Women see men not acknowledging their feelings.
- Women see men not believing them.
- Women want justice done based upon the accusation.
- Women see the lack of evidence standard as unfair, since rape is often just he-said-she-said.
- Women see men as a physical threat.
- Men fear false allegations from women.
- Men want due process if accused, with the presumption of innocence.
- Men see problems as things to be solved, not to be acknowledged with sympathy.
If the conversation is divided into separate issues, it's easier to address.
Any additions to suggest?
(I might edit this post with additions & modifications.)
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True. I think it largely comes about through a lack of trying to understand. So many men simply don't care -- for one reason or another.
I first noticed in high school that some people are so irrational as to believe the truth lies with the person who expresses the most upset or anger.
I notice that posters who say that don't seem likely to actually do it.
But if you're honest, then I'm pleased to entertain.
I agree that accusations must be proved, that is going to require a change in understanding by the predominantly male police forces.
Witnesses to someone getting kicked in the nuts will no doubt be in far greater abundance than witnesses to rape.
Rest assured I laughed at your transparent attempt to deflect criticism from your views by making insinuations about my motives. Whenever a man like you lowers himself by stooping to such tricks, I tend to laugh.
Bless your heart.
That was he implication of your last paragraph.
I guess I need to get out of my cave more often. That was kind of new to me--that Kavanaugh's anger indicated that he was wrongly accused.
To me, it's telling that such a clear violation of logic and reason would appear to so many in the Republican base. Not that there aren't thousands of other examples of the same. Still, each example is significant.
Yes with 'some' it works
Dna evidence solves the 'he said she said' problem. Or witnesses, although unlikely in a rape case.
Woman cannot live by accusation alone.
Men often are a physical threat, hence the high incidence of rape.
Women fear rape. Get men to stop raping women and the fear of allegations (false or true) will dissapear.
As it should be, as it is in law, the media seem to have other ideas over who is guilty or innocent.
What? Thats a rather misogynist thing to say. Women want due process too, not sympathy.
The political landscape in the US is so scary these days. That's the main reason I don't venture out of my cave so much.
In some cases, yes.
But other cases have a question about consent.
Some do.
But I spoke of those who judge without evidence.
(Remember the "some" prefix.)
There's nothing misogynist about recognizing their existence.
Tis just as it's not misandrist to say some men call Ford a liar,
& Kavanaugh innocent without evidence.
Ref....
Women's group projects 'Kavanaugh is a sexual predator' on courthouse
That's how I took it- moving from some to all.
True. But they're going down the dark path right now with thoughtful conservatives bailing out as the march into forming mobs, embracing lies, disenfranchising voters, dumping on the poor etc gets worse.
Of course you would.