Abortion Rights in Georgia and in Texas.

[stvdv]

I'm always interested to hear what non-Americans read and think about Americans.

I think Americans are not so different from Dutch, all just humans, even quite a few emigrated. I think/hope there is a difference between Americans and politicians though

300 million Trump-a-likes might be disastrous

What's odd is that I have hundreds of friends and acquaintences and very few support Trump. None of my close friends support Trump, and when we discuss politics we have no idea where these Trump supporters are, or who they are. It's almost as if they are ghosts.

Interesting. Here in Holland quite a few like Trump. In 2016, seeing him on T.V. I thought he was kind of the Anti Christ incarnate, I was really anti Trump. Then, a few years back I had a vivid dream of Trump, and he was incredible friendly to me (strange to have such a dream when you 'hate' someone, against all psychology rules I guess)

But since then, I give him the benefit of the doubt. If he stops lying and saying stupid things, I'll take him serious ... not yet .. I just heard him say something like "Israel should bomb the nuclear sites in Iran, would be a good thing" ... oh my God, if he becomes President ...

And then I heard Elon Musk say this morning "IF Trump won't become President it is the last election".. I thought Elon Musk seems not too bad

These rich billionaires do shake things up quite a bit. But as I said, that is the plan of Klaus Schwab and confirmed by our P.M. So maybe it's kind of a global plan ... time will tell, glad I'm not 20 anymore, doesn't make me happy this stuff

 

[Subduction Zone]

I maybe misunderstood the American abortion situation. I thought they wanted to ban it completely (women can't choose).

Do they plan to ban after 24 weeks only? Then my reply was totally off

Thank you @Subduction Zone,

That's good to see, that most abortions are done that early.

It varies from state to state. And yes, that graph shows that antiabortion people are lying about late abortions. They are done because they are necessary.

 

[stvdv]

Very few have Trump signs in their yards. I've seen well over a hundred of Harris signs in my city, and only 5 Trump signs. And I live in a city that borders two red states, so Trump will win both. But the Harris enthusiasm is vastly more apparent. I've never seen this before.

I do get the feeling that Trump might be the next President planned, but reading that there are no Trump signs does give some hope

Though Elon Musk promoting Trump might turn the votes. These Big Tech guys have big impact, like Hollywood stars and God Faith

My hope is that polls are way off and the supoprt for Harris is deeper than we know. I just can't believe so many Americans buy Trump's lies and corruption.

That's really amazing, and might be the reason they are going to learn it the hard way

This election is a crisis for America. Even if Harris wins many liberals are concerned about the future, and how MAGAs will not behave morally or legally. We liberals are getting along with our lives, but we seriously worry that if Trump wins there is going to be a serious collapse of norms and stability.

That seems inevitable anyway

None of us really know what to expect.

True, I have no clue anymore

We are just hoping decency overcomes the majority of voters and Harris wins by a wide margin.

It's astounding how much rides on this election, and there are voters who aren't sure they even want to vote.

IF zero votes THEN the problem would be solved, but that won't happen

Ukraine is nervous. Europe is nervous. Anyone who values democracy in the wolrd is nervous. Trump is disturbed and unreliable, and if he wins who knows what will happen next. The economy will certainly suffer, likely global. Economies like stability, and Trump is the antitheists of stability.

At least if Trump becomes President then within 1 week we know he played us all (he promised to solve Ukraine at once), but then 4 years might be a long wait

 

[stvdv]

It varies from state to state.

Then I understand women are angry, such an issue should be the same everywhere; but it proves my point "our P.M promised on T.V. that the plan is to make us angry" ... when I heard that, I was done with politicians.

And yes, that graph shows that antiabortion people are lying about late abortions.

not smart

They are done because they are necessary.

That's a good thing

Better not get a President who lies, as this rubs off on the people

 

[Twilight Hue]

Texas citizens don't have people's initiatives--they can't directly vote on abortion. The Texas legislation is a product of their legislators.

The Reason Texans Can’t Vote on Abortion and Weed

Polls show support for reproductive choice, legal pot, a minimum wage raise, and Medicaid expansion. But the Lege stands in citizens' way.

www.texasobserver.org

Sounds like the People's Republic of New York.

Trifecta or not the , people can still vote for another governor.

 

[crossfire]

Sounds like the People's Republic of New York.

Trifecta or not the , people can still vote for another governor.

Wow! I just learned something. 24 states have no form of citizen initiated ballot measures. I'm gobsmacked to learn this! How do these people keep their politicians in check and from becoming tyrants? No wonder gerrymandering is so rampant! Holy crap!

States without initiative or referendum

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

 

[Wirey]

The people of Texas have spoken. If they want change, well that will be a Texas matter.

Replace "Texas" with "The Reich" and tell me how that sounds.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Replace "Texas" with "The Reich" and tell me how that sounds.

I would call it the Commonwealth.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Sounds like the People's Republic of New York.

Trifecta or not the , people can still vote for another governor.

Do women have control over their own bodies in "The Peoples' Republic of New York?"

 

[F1fan]

I think Americans are not so different from Dutch, all just humans, even quite a few emigrated. I think/hope there is a difference between Americans and politicians though

300 million Trump-a-likes might be disastrous

I'm not on Facebook much any more but I do get on there to check racing info. I have seen a few people that I know and see as good folks post pro-Trump nonsense, and I'm shocked. I think "That guy is MAGA? He seems normal." I suspect most Trump supporters are good people who have been caught up in the divisive rhetoric by right wing media. It brings out a dark side that they typically keep suppressed.

Interesting. Here in Holland quite a few like Trump. In 2016, seeing him on T.V. I thought he was kind of the Anti Christ incarnate, I was really anti Trump. Then, a few years back I had a vivid dream of Trump, and he was incredible friendly to me (strange to have such a dream when you 'hate' someone, against all psychology rules I guess)

But since then, I give him the benefit of the doubt. If he stops lying and saying stupid things, I'll take him serious ... not yet .. I just heard him say something like "Israel should bomb the nuclear sites in Iran, would be a good thing" ... oh my God, if he becomes President ...

I remember the first time he ran and many supporters said he will mature into the job and be presidential. That never happened. As we are learning Trump wanted to do many illegal things and the ethical and law abiding members of the cabinet prevented him from doing it. Even with these folks keepin im within the guardrails he was still impeached twice. It could have been more.

Now he intends to only have lacckies in the cabinet who will do whatever he wants. And who will check him? Congress? The courts? He will ignore them both. Our government is largely an honor system theat requires all members to respect the law, and with MAGA that has gone out the window. It's funny how "MAGA" is considered a negative thing to progressives. Even some Trump supoprters on this forum have denied being a MAGA, and I found that interesting.

And then I heard Elon Musk say this morning "IF Trump won't become President it is the last election".. I thought Elon Musk seems not too bad

These rich billionaires do shake things up quite a bit. But as I said, that is the plan of Klaus Schwab and confirmed by our P.M. So maybe it's kind of a global plan ... time will tell, glad I'm not 20 anymore, doesn't make me happy this stuff

I remember some Trump supporters saying they like Trump because he will shake things up in Washington. No, shaking things up in a movie studio that has a string of bad movies can benefit from being shaken up. Government? No. If there is a problem with how government functions then it needs to be a deliberate and cooperative. Society and the economy need stability, and instability and chaos only causes problems. Too many voters are completely ignorant on civics.

I wouldn't have a problem with voters needing to take a test before they can register to vote. Immigrants have to take a test before they can become citizens, and it's odd they know more about America and civics than most natives.

 

[Quintessence]

By the polls Harris continues to hold a narrow lead. I am hoping that as in some of the recent abortion polls that the pollsters are shown to way underestimate the number of people voting for freedom.

They probably are - the undercurrents of misogyny in this culture still ensure routine underestimation of women. But if you pay attention to some other research (not polls) there is growing evidence of a widening partisan divide between males and females. For obvious reasons. There are plenty of women who have a lot of internalized misogyny, or the gulf would be widening to a chasm. It's worth noting that the people with the most to loose - those who are most likely to become pregnant (young people) that gulf is a bit more of a chasm. Also, for obvious reasons.

Wow! I just learned something. 24 states have no form of citizen initiated ballot measures. I'm gobsmacked to learn this! How do these people keep their politicians in check and from becoming tyrants? No wonder gerrymandering is so rampant! Holy crap!

States without initiative or referendum

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

In Iowa, every ten years we can vote for a constitutional convention.

You can bet your beans I will be voting for one the next time that comes around. That's really the only recourse we have against our pro-slavery overlords. That we have to do this to ensure basic human rights for half the population - when the support is already a solid majority here - is ridiculous.

 

[F1fan]

Sounds like the People's Republic of New York.

Yup, citizens want freedom. But in Texas the legislators won't allow it. Sounds like China.

Trifecta or not the , people can still vote for another governor.

Let's hope they find some wisdom and oust these MAGA control freaks.