Abortion, sex education, teenagers' healthcare

[Estro Felino]

I believe most of the political debate during the elections is wasted on something both parties should agree on:
that a healthy sex education at school, provided by the Government would decrease the risk of unwanted pregnancies and would make the abortion rate collapse, especially among teenage women and women in their twenties.

Thoughts?

 

[BrightShadow]

I believe most of the political debate during the elections is wasted on something both parties should agree on:
that a healthy sex education at school, provided by the Government would decrease the risk of unwanted pregnancies and would make the abortion rate collapse, especially among teenage women and women in their twenties.

Thoughts?

I was waiting for others to post first.
I am not popular here.

Anyhow... here goes...

I am in favor of basic lessons. Not too deep.

Kids are too smart these days. The information is at their finger tips.
What you teach in school and what the Internet says - need to match.

If the internet says - exercise your women's rights and have abortion - they will ignore any lesson thought in school, have unprotected sex and get abortion as needed.

It is a get out of commitment free card. Very appealing!
Just do it and forget about it.

They are told they did nothing wrong.


The best way to stop abortion - is to tell them it is wrong to have abortion unless you were raped and unless your life was at risk. The entity that is trying to feed off you (in you) - is trying to live. Trying to grow into a human. Listen to his/her voice.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I believe most of the political debate during the elections is wasted on something both parties should agree on:
that a healthy sex education at school, provided by the Government would decrease the risk of unwanted pregnancies and would make the abortion rate collapse, especially among teenage women and women in their twenties.

Thoughts?

Both side would agree on this if both sides are being honest.

Truth be told, the so-called "pro-life" cause isn't generally interested in preventing abortions, even though this is what they say they care about.

 

[Estro Felino]

I was waiting for others to post first.
I am not popular here.

Anyhow... here goes...

I am in favor of basic lessons. Not too deep.

Sex education is not about how one has sex in detail.
It's about contraception.
Contraception, contraceptives, healthcare, prevention.

Kids are too smart these days. The information is at their finger tips.
What you teach in school and what the Internet says - need to match.

If the internet says - exercise your women's rights and have abortion - they will ignore any lesson thought in school, have unprotected sex and get abortion as needed.

Exactly.
That's what the dems want to promote: the message you've just said. To teenage girls:
Have unprotected sex. Have fun riding your little boyfriend as if you were an Amazon in heat. No big deal if you get pregnant. There's Abortion, the magic word.

The best way to stop abortion - is to tell them it is wrong to have abortion unless you were raped and unless your life was at risk. The entity that is trying to feed off you (in you) - is trying to live. Trying to grow into a human. Listen to his/her voice.

Standing ovation.

 

[Estro Felino]

Both side would agree on this if both sides are being honest.

Truth be told, the so-called "pro-life" cause isn't generally interested in preventing abortions, even though this is what they say they care about.

Yes, they are.
They want to prevent abortions at any cost.
So if contraception can be taught in schools, that will help.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes, they are.
They want to prevent abortions at any cost.
So if contraception can be taught in schools, that will help.

Their actions imply otherwise.

Pay attention to the actions and policies that "pro-life" groups support. They're only interested in preventing abortions if they can hurt, shame or control a woman in the process. If a way to prevent abortions would make women happier or better off, they won't touch it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Their actions imply otherwise.

Pay attention to the actions and policies that "pro-life" groups support. They're only interested in preventing abortions if they can hurt, shame or control a woman in the process. If a way to prevent abortions would make women happier or better off, they won't touch it.

I suspect that many dem women may get pregnant on purpose....because ....

How the Satanic Temple is using ‘abortion rituals’ to claim religious liberty against the Texas’ ‘heartbeat bill’

The Satanic Temple, a nontheistic group, is invoking the Religious Freedom Restoration Act to challenge Texas’ new anti-abortion law.

theconversation.com

 

[Guitar's Cry]

How the Satanic Temple is using ‘abortion rituals’ to claim religious liberty against the Texas’ ‘heartbeat bill’

The Satanic Temple, a nontheistic group, is invoking the Religious Freedom Restoration Act to challenge Texas’ new anti-abortion law.

theconversation.com

God bless those Satanists!

 

[BrightShadow]

Sex education is not about how one has sex in detail.
It's about contraception.
Contraception, contraceptives, healthcare, prevention.

I am all in for that.
Educate and make available.
Contraception is prevention.

Any method to prevent the ovaries from releasing eggs or make it difficult for sperms to reach the egg - is great.

But once the sperms reach the egg - the magic begins.
It develops into the Zygote.
You still got time!
After that you still got 6 days until it becomes blastocyst.
Do all you can to prevent it from implanting in the uterine wall and develops into an embryo.
So, I approve contraception.

Exceptions for the raped victims and when the pregnant person's life is in jeopardy - should always be on the table.


However, not sure how many young women would follow it and take contraception religiously. For that they will need more than education. They will need dedication and dedication can kick in when you know abortion should be avoided.
So, both education and conviction need to play a part to make a person dedicated in using contraception.

It is not "I could" - it is "I must"!

 

[Valjean]

I was waiting for others to post first.
I am not popular here.

Anyhow... here goes...

I am in favor of basic lessons. Not too deep.

Kids are too smart these days. The information is at their finger tips.
What you teach in school and what the Internet says - need to match.

If the internet says - exercise your women's rights and have abortion - they will ignore any lesson thought in school, have unprotected sex and get abortion as needed.

It is a get out of commitment free card. Very appealing!
Just do it and forget about it.

They are told they did nothing wrong.

I was taught half a century ago that there was an inverse relationship between sex education and pregnancy. This is not a new discovery. The more kids are taught, the fewer pregnancies occur.
Why do conservatives continue to think feel sex ed. encourages promiscuity and pregnancy?

The best way to stop abortion - is to tell them it is wrong to have abortion unless you were raped and unless your life was at risk. The entity that is trying to feed off you (in you) - is trying to live. Trying to grow into a human. Listen to his/her voice.

But what if they ask why?
Morality, IMHO, is based on abstract principles, not prescriptive, deontological rules.

If abortion be a crime against the fœtus, what makes a rape-created fœtus less worthy of life than a planned fœtus? If it's OK to abort a rape-induced fœtus for the convenience of the woman, why is it not OK to abort an accidental fœtus for same?

 

[Valjean]

Both side would agree on this if both sides are being honest.

Truth be told, the so-called "pro-life" cause isn't generally interested in preventing abortions, even though this is what they say they care about.

Nor are they generally pro-life, as their support for the military and their carnivory attest.

 

[Valjean]

Sex education is not about how one has sex in detail.
It's about contraception.
Contraception, contraceptives, healthcare, prevention.


Exactly.
That's what the dems want to promote: the message you've just said. To teenage girls:
Have unprotected sex. Have fun riding your little boyfriend as if you were an Amazon in heat. No big deal if you get pregnant. There's Abortion, the magic word.


Standing ovation.

Horsefeathers!

 

[Estro Felino]

I was taught half a century ago that there was an inverse relationship between sex education and pregnancy. This is not a new discovery. The more kids are taught, the fewer pregnancies occur.
This is hardly a new discovery. Why do conservatives continue to think feel sex ed. encourages promiscuity and pregnancy?

My personal experience.
I vividly recall that:
5th grade: first sex education (for kids)
7th grade: sex education (biology and prevention)
10th grade: very detailed sex education, that lasted an entire trimester
11th grade: sentimental education

I mean...I can testify here that after all these "traumatic classes", I was a sophomore and I felt almost disgust towards sex.
I sought romance with a man.

I believe that's the goal in Italy. They traumatize kids with all this sex, sex, sex information so they dissuade them from trying.

 

[BrightShadow]

This is hardly a new discovery. Why do conservatives continue to think feel sex ed. encourages promiscuity and pregnancy?

Did I say that? Why are you liberals so quick to jump the gun?

I am not against educating anyone.
However, I am not in favor of porn be used to educate. Some of the books these days have pictures. Teaching how to give BJ etc.
I am in favor of safety and prevention education only. Not how to give a good BJ or that BJ is better than sex and two men should just do BJs. That is what some school are trying to teach.

If it's OK to abort a rape-induced fœtus for the convenience of the woman, why is it not OK to abort an accidental fœtus for same?

I can tell you but you won't like the answer.
Do you believe in Jesus? Why did Jesus only had a mother and not a father?


Anyhow, in the case of a rapist - you have unknown risks. You don't know what his DNA contains or would provide.

The unknown risk factor supersedes the need to let it grow.
However it is the victims choice to keep the pregnancy in only rape cases.

We can presume the rapist has bad DNA. Just look at his aggression and disregard for the victim's rights.

 

[Valjean]

Did I say that? Why are you liberals so quick to jump the gun?

I am not against educating anyone.
However, I am not in favor of porn be used to educate. Some of the books these days have pictures. Teaching how to give BJ etc.
I am in favor of safety and prevention education only. Not how to give a good BJ or that BJ is better than sex and two men should just do BJs. That is what some school are trying to teach.

Where does education end and porn begin? Is knowledge of various sexual activities harmful to children?
Me, I'm in favor of comprehensive education, not just harm avoidance. Keeping kids in the dark stifles critical thinking and leads to poor decision making later on.

I can tell you but you won't like the answer.
Do you believe in Jesus? Why did Jesus only had a mother and not a father?

I'm not convinced He did. What evidence do we have for this claim?

Anyhow, in the case of a rapist - you have unknown risks. You don't know what his DNA contains or would provide.

The unknown risk factor supersedes the need to let it grow.
However it is the victims choice to keep the pregnancy in only rape cases.

We can presume the rapist has bad DNA. Just look at his aggression and disregard for the victim's rights.

Pregnancy is always a roll of the dice. Husbands can be unknown risk factors as well. Birth defects and high-risk DNA sequences can occur with any pregnancy.
Should we begin universal genetic screening of parents, unborn children, or neonates?
Maybe we should license childbirth

 

[Estro Felino]

Where does education end and porn begin? Is knowledge of various sexual activities harmful to children?
Me, I'm in favor of comprehensive education, not just harm avoidance. Keeping kids in the dark stifles critical thinking and leads to poor decision making later on.

Nothing graphic was shown to us.
It was all about contraceptives. There was this sexologist with big poison-green eyes who showed us how to use a condom, and who showed us with slides how the contraceptive pill stops ovulation.
I learnt the hormonal mechanisms of the menstrual cycle by heart...that course was so detailed and obsessed with the pill.

It's also about a culture obsessed with sex. I remember that the mother of my classmate forced her daughter to start taking the pill at 15.

 

[Alien826]

Their actions imply otherwise.

Pay attention to the actions and policies that "pro-life" groups support. They're only interested in preventing abortions if they can hurt, shame or control a woman in the process. If a way to prevent abortions would make women happier or better off, they won't touch it.

I have been participating in religious sties for a long long time. During that time I have had many (mostly friendly) discussions with what I will loosely call "religious-right" people and I have come to the following conclusion.

What they want to put an end to is not abortion, or STDs, or unwanted pregnancies. It's extra marital sex. All these other things do carry some weight, and they do express sympathy for the unborn, but when you dig down you find that all these things are seen as punishment for sex.

The only sex ed they favor is one that advocates abstinence. To that end they see teaching contraception as avoiding the punishment (pregnancy in this case) or when the use of condoms is taught, avoiding STDs (punishment again). Remember when a vaccination for HPV was found? They opposed it, because HPV was seen as a punishment for sex. Let me repeat that. They wanted to keep HPV around because they saw it as discouraging sex.

It all came clear to me in one discussion where the subject of extramarital sex was the subject and the Christian listed various reasons for avoiding it. Unwanted pregnancy and STDs were mentioned. I asked, OK so what if they invented a perfect contraceptive and found vaccinations for all STDs? Would extramarital sex then be OK? No, she said, it would still be sinful.

 

[Alien826]

I can tell you but you won't like the answer.
Do you believe in Jesus? Why did Jesus only had a mother and not a father?

I think I can answer. It's because sex is evil, right?

 

[Estro Felino]

The only sex ed they favor is one that advocates abstinence. To that end they see teaching contraception as avoiding the punishment (pregnancy in this case) or when the use of condoms is taught, avoiding STDs (punishment again). Remember when a vaccination for HPV was found? They opposed it, because HPV was seen as a punishment for sex. Let me repeat that. They wanted to keep HPV around because they saw it as discouraging sex.

Interesting. We had sex education at 5th grade, in junior high, and an entire trimester course at high school.
It was all about contraceptives. That is, here the State provides with counselling centers where condoms are for free and where women get the pill prescribed for free as well. It was a sexologist from one of those centers who came to the school to teach us this trimester course.

It was also traumatic. She had those big green eyes, and was asking us questions about our sexual desires, whether we had partners or not.

I think that it's repression that causes transgression. In this case... the more you talk about something, the more kids will think of sex as a responsibility and will think twice before having it.

 

[stvdv]

I believe most of the political debate during the elections is wasted on something both parties should agree on:
that a healthy sex education at school, provided by the Government would decrease the risk of unwanted pregnancies and would make the abortion rate collapse, especially among teenage women and women in their twenties.

Thoughts?

Needed education in schools:
1) Man and woman should never beat each other
2) Teach them parenting ... many suck at it
3) Teach them ways to avoid divorce
4) Finally: Good sex education