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About fossils -- would you say this is true?

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I can only guess that you and the scientists figure the rocks or sediment within the ice gives the age of? -- as if there were no shifting of soil before the ice was formed?
Every year, even in the Antarctic, the amount of snow and even melting varies. During the Antarctic summer some of the snow will melt. During the winter it builds up. Not all of it melts during the summer. As a result it gets thicker and thicker every year. Those layers can be counted. And there are other dating methods too. Dates can be confirmed by using carbon dating on the air bubbles within the ice. But that only works for the first 50,000 years at the most. Of course that already refutes the flood myth. Ice floats in my world. I hope that it floats in yours.

There are quite a few ways of dating the ice and they overlap in effectiveness. Eventually the pressure of the ice erases the layers. That is why the overlap is an important test. It usually means that there are at least two independent ways to confirm the age of the ice:

 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
Sorry, but until you prove otherwise the Bible is no more "factual" than any other holy book. It is just another book of myths until you meet the burden of proof.
The burden of proof is always on the atheist. I just have to mention the Gospel of Jesus Christ and not convert people as a born again Christian. Personally, I think you will be sorry because you won’t be able to prove anything as an atheist.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The burden of proof is always on the atheist. I just have to mention the Gospel of Jesus Christ and not convert people as a born again Christian. Personally, I think you will be sorry because you won’t be able to prove anything as an atheist.
You make the mistake that other deniers of reality do. Just because one accepts reality does not necessarily mean that one is an athist.

But than you for admitting that you only have make believe. We already have met the burden of proof for our claims. It is not our fault if you only have an elementary school level of scientific literacy.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
You make the mistake that other deniers of reality do. Just because one accepts reality does not necessarily mean that one is an athist.

But than you for admitting that you only have make believe. We already have met the burden of proof for our claims. It is not our fault if you only have an elementary school level of scientific literacy.
You’ve ignored post #699. You’ve got to hope nasa, etc explains everything to you. Perception is not reality where it ignores the supernatural. Thankfully, evolution theory wasn’t drummed into me at school otherwise I feel it could have irreparably been brainwashing as it is taught like fact these days. Those poor school children getting brainwashed with that. As an atheist 20 years ago I was able to find watching Richard Dawkins marketing his book cringeworthy.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I thought about it. But I'm afraid that I won't be able to question the instructor well. Or that he's not a good explainer. (It happens.) Also and unfortunately I don't have the time right now. But I did think about it. In the meantiime, I appreciate the time @Subduction Zone and several others are giving me, their explanations do help although -- yes -- I'm still learning. And I can be slow. So classes may not be the answer unless I want to do something in the field. (Which I don't right now.)
When I was younger I was not particularly interested in deeply examining these things. Frankly, however, I really don't think I will gain that much from taking classes on paleontology, one reason and it's a big one -- because of my religious beliefs and reading about the subject, I no longer believe everything a professor or teacher may say. I surely don't understand everything in or out of the Bible, so i'm not making claims about that. Therefore I need time to question. If that's not possible, there is no point in going on especially in a class. So I appreciate the discussion, including your comments. I'm not particularly interested in biology unless I would want a career in that field, which right now I don't. :) I do like to read though about cells and reactions. Although I can't say I understand it -- yet. Although i did well in chemistry when I went to school. :) Truly there are so many things to do in life.
It's like asking a clergyman to explain something and he tells you go read the Bible.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I really appreciate it, but I don't have time now for a class and looking for a good teacher may be difficult. At this point I'd have to interview the teacher beforehand but anyway I know I don't have the time. And my interest, is selective towards figuring about mankind not being here for 20,000+ years. As evolutionists and others may claim. So far, based on my distinct questions, the time period has not shown to be unequivocal and that's all I'm going to say now because there's a way to go. But thank you for your interest.
Also, you ask a student to explain what they learned in class, and they tell you, go take the class.
You're like "What. Why should I take a class, when I won't be able to teach anyone what I learned in class!!!"
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
So yet another creationist shows up, makes a bunch of unsubstantiated assertions and bizarre claims, ignores questions, ignores information, and mostly just preaches about "it's in the Bible".

Same thing we've seen....what....about a million times before?

Seeing their bizarre and unethical behaviors in defending their beliefs, I always wonder if they think they're being effective and/or persuasive. Is their internal dialog that they're doing great? Given their other delusions, I'm betting it is.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You’ve ignored post #699. You’ve got to hope nasa, etc explains everything to you. Perception is not reality where it ignores the supernatural. Thankfully, evolution theory wasn’t drummed into me at school otherwise I feel it could have irreparably been brainwashing as it is taught like fact these days. Those poor school children getting brainwashed with that. As an atheist 20 years ago I was able to find watching Richard Dawkins marketing his book cringeworthy.
No, I didn't; I just read it and laughed. You were just using terms that were far beyond your understanding. That does not help you.

You have to be able to understand the science to use them in an argument.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It's like asking a clergyman to explain something and he tells you go read the Bible.
Not at all. I offered to help her to learn. She ran away. As do all creationists when they are met with genuine offers to help them to learn. You know this too, You ran away from me a long long time ago.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Also, you ask a student to explain what they learned in class, and they tell you, go take the class.
You're like "What. Why should I take a class, when I won't be able to teach anyone what I learned in class!!!"
Why blather in such a a way? It only shows that you have not been following the discussion.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
So yet another creationist shows up, makes a bunch of unsubstantiated assertions and bizarre claims, ignores questions, ignores information, and mostly just preaches about "it's in the Bible".

Same thing we've seen....what....about a million times before?

Seeing their bizarre and unethical behaviors in defending their beliefs, I always wonder if they think they're being effective and/or persuasive. Is their internal dialog that they're doing great? Given their other delusions, I'm betting it is.

Why blather in such a a way? It only shows that you have not been following the discussion.
Have you just been for a power nap? My external voice usually tells me to ignore you when on your other forum. Last Saturday the angel gave me that hymn title to give you but I haven’t heard anything since. I think the voice is tired of telling me to ignore you. I will get tired soon.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
So yet another creationist shows up, makes a bunch of unsubstantiated assertions and bizarre claims, ignores questions, ignores information, and mostly just preaches about "it's in the Bible".

Same thing we've seen....what....about a million times before?

Seeing their bizarre and unethical behaviors in defending their beliefs, I always wonder if they think they're being effective and/or persuasive. Is their internal dialog that they're doing great? Given their other delusions, I'm betting it is.
You'd think that with Bible, all the angels, all of
reality, and, you know, God, on their side that
such antics would not be necessary.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Have you just been for a power nap? My external voice usually tells me to ignore you when on your other forum. Last Saturday the angel gave me that hymn title to give you but I haven’t heard anything since. I think the voice is tired of telling me to ignore you. I will get tired soon.
What in the world are you talking about? Are you saying you hear voices that tell you what to do?
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
You'd think that with Bible, all the angels, all of
reality, and, you know, God, on their side that
such antics would not be necessary.
Exactly! If they really were on the side of "the truth", why do they consistently need to resort to dishonest tactics? IMO, the answer is obvious.....rather than having the truth, they are in denial of it.
 

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
What in the world are you talking about? Are you saying you hear voices that tell you what to do?
Yes but you already know that. You know from your other forum they are benign and can be instructional to others open minded enough. It’s a zillion times better than inventing characters on many forums and talking to yourself. I don’t know what to make of that.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Yes but you already know that. You know from your other forum they are benign and can be instructional to others open minded enough. It’s a zillion times better than inventing characters on many forums and talking to yourself. I don’t know what to make of that.
Sorry, I don't know "Apostle John" from another forum.
 
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