About fossils -- would you say this is true?

[Polymath257]

This is really a response to anyone regarding evidential creativity. Get a crate load of a variety of chemicals of your choice from the periodic table. These we shall call the elements of creation. Then demonstrate by just throwing them up in the air to see if you create anything.

Try your best to create an explosion that demonstrates creativity.

Then, to fast forward your mythical beliefs, get hold of some rocks, any kind and bash them together to show that they stick. This should be an easy demonstration.

How in the world do you see that as anything close to the scientific claims?

 

[Apostle John]

How in the world do you see that as anything close to the scientific claims?

Exceptionally close. The mission statement on the rules of this forum is a laugh isn’t it. Information and fellowship? What a laugh with all the babble spoken by not me at least.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Oh, I forgot you said you practiced a pseudoscience. Allow me to spell it out for you this is what you said:-

No, I do not. And I'll ask you to stop categorizing it as such, especially considering you don't know the first thing about it.
I can demonstrate the efficacy of my methodology with data. You can't.

So the multiple cradles of civilisation put forward by evolutionary biologists propose they occurred in what is termed the old world and the new world. If you look at these geographical areas, it doesn’t explain demonstrably or factually why the language of Native Americans is similar to Russian.

The scattering of the nations at the Tower of Babel does explain this perfectly.

Repeating this over again doesn't make it any more relevant. It has nothing to do with what I said. It's far off in left field.

Evolutionary biologists don't say that. Maybe you're thinking of anthropologists? Etymologists? Linguists?

The Tower of Babel is a mythical story. We know how languages developed over time, and that ain't it. But again, this has nothing to do with anything we are talking about. Maybe try sticking to one topic at a time.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Exceptionally close. The mission statement on the rules of this forum is a laugh isn’t it. Information and fellowship? What a laugh with all the babble spoken by not me at least.

It was absurdly laughable and a good demonstration that you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Apostle John]

No, I do not. And I'll ask you to stop categorizing it as such, especially considering you don't know the first thing about it.
I can demonstrate the efficacy of my methodology with data. You can't.

Repeating this over again doesn't make it any more relevant. It has nothing to do with what I said. It's far off in left field.

The Tower of Babel is a mythical story. We know how languages developed over time, and that ain't it. But again, this has nothing to do with anything we are talking about. Maybe try sticking to one topic at a time.

Yet more babble. You will know Christians are told to avoid babble. That will help you with your mission statement. You couldn’t explain why Native Indian is similar to Russian by way of evolutionary biology so you babble.

Now that the staff have removed links to the Bible that was previously on the button bar on the last ‘forum look’ I imagine babble will only get worse. Fellowship of non-Christians will be like that of lower ordered animals (no offence by the term animal) who, at best will only consider reincarnation. I will suggest a thread title for you “What fellowship do lower order animals like fish have?”

 

[Jose Fly]

Lurking in this thread this morning, and I'm a bit gobsmacked. We have a poster who says he hears voices in his head and believes birds send him messages....all very clear signs of mental illness.

Yet we also have a group of folks lining up to debate him? I'm not even sure that's ethical.

 

[exchemist]

Lurking in this thread this morning, and I'm a bit gobsmacked. We have a poster who says he hears voices in his head and believes birds send him messages....all very clear signs of mental illness.

Yet we also have a group of folks lining up to debate him? I'm not even sure that's ethical.

I agree. But it's interesting. @Apostle John and I had a quite civilised and non-trivial conversation about synthetic organic chemistry. If he was bluffing he was doing so very well. He had identified my avatar is norbornane, for instance. But he says he underwent some kind of conversion some years ago. My guess would be a breakdown of some kind. And now he's incapable of arguing coherently, it seems. Something has gone wrong, that's for sure.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yet more babble. You will know Christians are told to avoid babble. That will help you with your mission statement. You couldn’t explain why Native Indian is similar to Russian by way of evolutionary biology so you babble.

Now that the staff have removed links to the Bible that was previously on the button bar on the last ‘forum look’ I imagine babble will only get worse. Fellowship of non-Christians will be like that of lower ordered animals (no offence by the term animal) who, at best will only consider reincarnation. I will suggest a thread title for you “What fellowship do lower order animals like fish have?”

Okay well if you're never going to address anything that's said and instead jump all over the placing making claim after claim after attempted insult, I'm gonna have to take off now. This is not a fruitful discussion.

 

[Jose Fly]

I agree. But it's interesting. @Apostle John and I had a quite civilised and non-trivial conversation about synthetic organic chemistry. If he was bluffing he was doing so very well. He had identified my avatar is norbornane, for instance. But he says he underwent some kind of conversion some years ago. My guess would be a breakdown of some kind. And now he's incapable of arguing coherently, it seems. Something has gone wrong, that's for sure.

I had a similar experience in another forum, where a creationist I had interacted with years ago showed up and we started debating. But it quickly became apparent that (as you put it), something had gone wrong since our last encounter. I won't get into the details, but I realized that my attempting to debate such a person actually reflected poorly on me.

I kinda see the same thing here.

 

[metis]

You won’t be shy demonstrating it then.

It happens all the time, such as in chemical reactions. Your own body has chemical reactions happening constantly within it.

Why don’t you fast forward this concept and put an amino acid on some rocky mud, water it occasionally and leave in the sun and win yourself a Nobel prize exploding a myth.

If only everything was so simple.

Common sense should tell ya that all material objects tend to change over time, and genes are chemical objects, plus d.n.a. is variable.

BTW, I grew up in a fundamentalist church that opposed accepting the basic ToE, and I left that church for that reason and also another. I eventually got a graduate degree in anthropology and taught it for 30 years, and I had to cut information from my course because there's just so much overwhelming evidence that goes to show how us humans evolved.

In serious theology, the Creation accounts are usually considered to be allegorical because they make no sense at the literalistic level. IMO, they probably were designed to counter the earlier and much more widespread polytheistic Babylonian creation account. Thus, the Genesis accounts are not wrong but actually likely were penned to give the Jewish points of view as to how YHWH made all and saw that it was & is "good".

 

[Apostle John]

I agree. But it's interesting. @Apostle John and I had a quite civilised and non-trivial conversation about synthetic organic chemistry. If he was bluffing he was doing so very well. He had identified my avatar is norbornane, for instance. But he says he underwent some kind of conversion some years ago. My guess would be a breakdown of some kind. And now he's incapable of arguing coherently, it seems. Something has gone wrong, that's for sure.

I remember many conversations verbatim I had between 1990-93, others may have had a breakdown, I didn’t though, a turn off maybe, but I was able to postdoc for several years. Yes I hear voices which began in 1990 but have cleared up and improved now thanks to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Those poor non-creation scientists having an abysmal time. Urgh.

 

[metis]

You will know Christians are told to avoid babble.

You wouldn't know that here at RF, let me tell ya.

 

[exchemist]

I remember many conversations verbatim I had between 1990-93, others may have had a breakdown, I didn’t though, a turn off maybe, but I was able to postdoc for several years. Yes I hear voices which began in 1990 but have cleared up and improved now thanks to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Those poor non-creation scientists having an abysmal time. Urgh.

Er, right. Some of us may draw different conclusions about the significance of the voices, though, in view of your debating style. Anyway, I enjoyed our discussion about chemistry and learnt something new from it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Aren’t biologists now starting to think of more than one cradle of civilisation. That’s batty thinking.

That would be batty if biologists were thinking of that. That would be in the line of archaeologists. And why would it be batty?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You won’t be shy demonstrating it then. Why don’t you fast forward this concept and put an amino acid on some rocky mud, water it occasionally and leave in the sun and win yourself a Nobel prize exploding a myth.

You were already told that is not how science is done.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, I forgot you said you practiced a pseudoscience. Allow me to spell it out for you this is what you said:-

So the multiple cradles of civilisation put forward by evolutionary biologists propose they occurred in what is termed the old world and the new world. If you look at these geographical areas, it doesn’t explain demonstrably or factually why the language of Native Americans is similar to Russian.

The scattering of the nations at the Tower of Babel does explain this perfectly.

Once again, biologists do not do that. You shoot yourself in the foot every time that you use such arguments. You demonstrate how little that you know.

And when you make claims, such as the one about Native American languages you need to support them with a valid source.

 

[Apostle John]

Once again, biologists do not do that. You shoot yourself in the foot every time that you use such arguments. You demonstrate how little that you know.

And when you make claims, such as the one about Native American languages you need to support them with a valid source.

Just Google the origin of Native Indian. You’ll see entries stating it’s closest match is Russian. If you want to babble it’s from something else I will have to refrain from posting. I would love to see you discuss a thread title “What fellowship do lower order animals like fish have?” though.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just Google the origin of Native Indian. You’ll see entries stating it’s closest match is Russian. If you want to babble it’s from something else I will have to refrain from posting. I would love to see you discuss a thread title “What fellowship do lower order animals like fish have?” though.

I know where Native Americans came from and how they got here. We were talking about their language. You need to support that claim.

And ignorant babbling is your sin. You only continually demonstrate that you do not understand even the basics of science. Why not try to learn? Several people have offered help.

 

[Apostle John]

I know where Native Americans came from and how they got here. We were talking about their language. You need to support that claim.

And ignorant babbling is your sin. You only continually demonstrate that you do not understand even the basics of science. Why not try to learn? Several people have offered help.

If you know where they came from you will accept the language came with them.

Linguistic Phylogenies Support Back-Migration from Beringia to Asia

 

[Apostle John]

That article should indicate there was back and forth migration. No separate cradle of civilisation.